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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#1: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:37:47 PM

While Lull Destruction's description says that Tropes Are Not Bad, it is still used frequently to complain about dubs and dialogue you don't like. I'm noticing a pattern with English dubs, especially.

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As for the on-page examples: Several of the on-page examples are complaining. The Films — Animated, Films — Live-Action, Western Animation, and Video Games folder are filled with complaining.

The definition itself is written as very complainy, complete with a snarky sinkhole to 4Kids Entertainment, and the title sounds very much like a Take That! so I suggest renaming the trope to something like Silence Filling Strategies and rewriting the definition.

Edited by ccorb on Jul 29th 2020 at 4:24:54 AM

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#2: Jul 29th 2020 at 9:20:11 AM

Opening.

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shadowmanwkp from The Netherlands Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#3: Jul 30th 2020 at 5:11:44 AM

Yeah the trope name sounds very negative, one example is under Digimon where the trope is assumed to be negative:

This was also found to be a positive thing by some in the dub of Digimon Adventure tri. given that some felt there were too many quiet scenes or said scenes were too long. The dub's habit of doing this helped break up the monotony with a combination of dialogue and background noise.

Also the snark towards 4Kids is in the examples as well, with a ZCE to boot:

Yu-Gi-Oh!, One Piece (until another company rescued it), and any other animated show dubbed by 4Kids Entertainment.

So the misuse is there, but I also see some other stuff not up to standards like ZCEs, some even taking the form of X, just X.

As for renames, here are some of my suggestions:

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#5: Jul 30th 2020 at 12:50:53 PM

The page quote and the sole quote on Quotes.Lull Destruction are also complain-y. Rename to Filling Up That Silence which sounds less negative.

Edited by ADrago on Jul 30th 2020 at 3:59:11 PM

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#6: Jul 30th 2020 at 1:28:23 PM

I'd like to recommend Filling the Silence instead, although I admit to not finding the name Lull Destruction inherently complain-y (the page is, I just don't blame the name). I would prefer if we have a rename crowner (I do think there is enough evidence that the name may be contributing to the problem). I'll rewrite the description at Sandbox.Lull Destruction for comments/critiques since everyone seems to agree it needs revamping.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#8: Jul 30th 2020 at 2:30:16 PM

Please read Everything You Wanted to Know About Changing Names; The first vote will be about whether to rename at all, and to start it off you'll want to create something called a single proposition crowner. The question of if we rename has to be decided before voting on what we rename to.


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Edited by crazysamaritan on Jul 30th 2020 at 5:35:40 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jul 30th 2020 at 3:33:09 PM

I think the title needs to mention or suggest this is a dub/localization/etc. thing. Otherwise, it sounds like the thing people in conversation do to fill a silence.

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#12: Jul 30th 2020 at 3:51:18 PM

[up] If you read the description closely and quite a bit of the examples, you'll find that this also applies to an original language track as well. Look at the Felix the Cat and SpongeBob examples. A main issue of this trope is that it's about adding sound so as to capture the audience's attention, but the description and even the laconic say "It's about annoying dialogue and sound effects in a foreign dub!"

Edited by ccorb on Jul 30th 2020 at 4:25:28 AM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#13: Jul 30th 2020 at 4:30:02 PM

Yeah, it's something that's more noticeable with different dubs, but isn't isolated/common to them. Because I like to listen to a few Radio Drama works, I was able to incorporate that into the sandboxed description. It's much more common there, because the medium is solely audio so a lull or silence could be misinterpreted as a problem with the connection. Our demographics leads to that being a rare example because not many tropers are familiar with them. (I listen between once a week and once a month when I'm on a binge.)

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Jul 30th 2020 at 5:09:18 PM

I was going to clarify what I meant, but the on-page examples exhibit none of the misuse I imagined, so it's likely not going to be a problem for the renamed page.

Since radio is mentioned in the sandbox description, would it be useful to mention sound-based works are trying to avoid Dead Air?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#15: Jul 30th 2020 at 6:07:14 PM

Ah! Useful! Thank you.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Jul 31st 2020 at 3:35:10 PM

[up] Did you holler?

Edit: hollered

Edited by Tabs on Jul 31st 2020 at 3:36:08 AM

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#18: Aug 1st 2020 at 3:23:02 PM

I was thinking we could turn this into a supertrope or index for things used to fill silence, such as Mickey Mousing, Dialogue During Gameplay, Narrating the Obvious, etc.

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#19: Aug 1st 2020 at 4:02:48 PM

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#20: Aug 2nd 2020 at 8:50:38 AM

I suggest Lull Filling. There's no better word for the thing being changed in the work than "lull." "Filling" is technically the same as "destruction" in this context, but is more amenable to positive connotations. It also won't require changing the surrounding grammar the way something like "Filling The Silence" might.

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#22: Aug 3rd 2020 at 3:06:59 AM

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#24: Aug 3rd 2020 at 6:32:18 AM

Calling in favor of rename.


Non-Mod Hat: I'm good with Lull Filling.

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#25: Aug 3rd 2020 at 7:52:52 AM

Now shall I attach the Alternative Titles crowner I already made, or do I need to make a new one since that one was a mistake?

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