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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#1426: Feb 8th 2025 at 9:47:33 AM

Also note that these two were among the group (with Battle Beast) that beat the utter shit out of Mark not too long ago. That might be giving him a bit of a bias.

But yeah, he's pretty set in just beat them up right now. He may not want to kill them, but he's not really looking for other options.

I'm guessing an upcoming powerful encounter will force him flex his brain for more options.

Yeah, those are some bad puns, I'll admit, but I stand by them.

We also know he tries to reform Dinosaurus as well, even if that goes very badly.

One Strip! One Strip!
TerraCondor Since: Dec, 2022
#1427: Feb 8th 2025 at 11:03:16 AM

[up][up]Even before Oliver shows up, I mean.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1428: Feb 8th 2025 at 12:19:18 PM

I think the worst thing about Immortal is the fact he is such a petty and spiteful man.

He is clearly projecting his frustrations and anger towards Omni-Man onto Mark, either the added bit that he is most likely jealous that a child has already surpassed him as the worlds strongest hero.

Like he is obviously giddy about the idea of Mark being humbled and the source of it doesn't matter. He just wants Mark to get his ass kicked which is just terrible.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#1429: Feb 8th 2025 at 12:25:22 PM

I find it charming how this show sticks to codenames sometimes even silly ones, despite the general tone of the show.

So for example we get a part about a couple of criminals, struggling to make the end meet, before reverting to crime and getting their asses kicked once they run out of options. We know those two by no names other than Magmaniac and Tether Tyrant.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1430: Feb 8th 2025 at 12:29:14 PM

[up][up] It's interesting because Season 2 was about him becoming more tolerant of Mark and working with him and trusting him during the Sequid fight.

And after that and Kate's apparent death, he at least knew he wasn't right in the head and in condition to be a guardian let alone lead them and hence he quit.

This season there isn't that same self-awareness. Coupled with Kate's acerbity, he and Kate seem to be validating each other and re-enforcing each other's worse aspects rather than bring out the best in each other.

Edited by dcutter2 on Feb 8th 2025 at 8:29:40 PM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1431: Feb 8th 2025 at 2:23:19 PM

You know one thing I just thought of is that when discussing the bomb/noise machine in Marks head nobody pro mark mentioned that the people saying it was good it was there thought about the possibility that Cecil could put one in any of their heads.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#1432: Feb 8th 2025 at 2:29:50 PM

Indeed.

Immortal. You were in that same lab at some point when Cecil was putting you back together.

How can you be sure he didn't put one of those things in your head.

One Strip! One Strip!
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1433: Feb 8th 2025 at 2:40:03 PM

Monster Girl actually does point that out. Just after Rex starts the call to walk out and Samson tries to calm everyone down.

"If Cecil did that to Mark, who's to say he wouldn't do that to all of us?"

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1434: Feb 8th 2025 at 2:43:50 PM

Especially considering they'll been hospitalized at one point. Cecil could very easily have done something at any point.

Hell Rex has a robot arm, whose to say it doesn't have a self-destruct mechanism that Cecil can choose to activate.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#1435: Feb 8th 2025 at 4:14:45 PM

Wouldn't be the first time the Immortal had a metal thingy up in his head.

Tho honestly I wonder if Robot actually removed it. He might think Cecil is right that there needs to be a way to get Mark under control in case something happens, but maybe he reprogrammed it to give him the control.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1436: Feb 8th 2025 at 9:06:10 PM

Hell Rex has a robot arm, whose to say it doesn't have a self-destruct mechanism that Cecil can choose to activate.

Now I'm wondering if Rex's inability to flip Cecil off with his robot hand isn't a bug, but a deliberate feature Cecil had installed[lol].

From the point of the view of an individual duplicate, she's just a normal person with no powers going into battle.

Yeah, Self-Duplication isn't the most useful ability in open combat unless it's paired with more offense-oriented powers. Kate would be better off if she were used in a different, less violent capacity.

TerraCondor Since: Dec, 2022
#1437: Feb 8th 2025 at 9:25:33 PM

I wonder if Immortal would take issue with the idea of something being in his head. He seems pretty steadfastly loyal, so I imagine the only time he'd turn against Cecil would be if he was brainwashed or something, in which case he'd see that contingency as necessary.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1438: Feb 8th 2025 at 9:29:59 PM

Really Kate's being pretty selfish here. Not to diminish her issues with her bodies constantly dying, but regardless her life wasn't in actual danger.

Rex and Rae meanwhile were. They almost died horribly and spent time hospitalized. They only have one life to lose and almost lost it. Rex had his hand bitten off and got shot in the head while Rae was eaten alive.

Kate meanwhile wasn't in actual danger, hell still isn't (the Kaye shown here has a 1 on her chest meaning the original is safely tucked away) so while her friends were fighting for their lives Kate was (and this is probably too harsh of me) slumming it in Immortal's winter cabin.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 8th 2025 at 9:30:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1439: Feb 9th 2025 at 3:06:17 AM

"Now I'm wondering if Rex's inability to flip Cecil off with his robot hand isn't a bug, but a deliberate feature Cecil had installed[lol]. "

Or sorta both. He coded it so Rex can't attack him with that hand and the flip-off is an accidental extra.

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#1440: Feb 9th 2025 at 2:08:36 PM

It's kinda ironic that Cecil is portrayed as the guy "making the hard choices" anti-hero while Mark is the Honor Before Reason hero wanting to put morals above saving the world.

Usually it's the All-Loving Hero types who seek to redeem their enemies and try to get them to use their abilities for good while the gritty Anti-Hero wants bad guys to be harshly punished because it's what they deserve..

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1441: Feb 10th 2025 at 1:36:08 AM

Now that I think about it, Mark could have been a lot more direct to Oliver about why Earth hates their dad.

Something like, "Oliver you know those Viltrumited that tried to destroy Thraxa that me and dad stopped? Well dad did that to Earth, he killed thousands of people like they wanted too."

Mark could also take Oliver to one of the cities Nolan attacked and get a more direct idea that what Nolan did was commit a senseless mass murder.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1442: Feb 10th 2025 at 1:42:09 AM

The decision to up Nolan's atrocities from the comic has really altered how Mark and others treat Nolan. Not that "only" killing the original Guardians was a good thing either. That was still bad enough that Nolan accepted he would never be welcome on Earth again.

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1443: Feb 10th 2025 at 10:23:55 AM

Something that isn't addressed is that Cecil's idea of "rehabilitation" for Darkwing and Sinclair comes with a huge risk of recidivism.

Sinclair is a Mad Scientist who turned corpses into zombie cyborgs and Darkwing went on a murderous path due to the pressure of being a superhero. Cecil is making these guys do the same things that landed them in prison in the first place, but now they're doing it under his orders. It's like trying to ween Hannibal Lecter off cannibalism by making him eat human traffickers. Technically, they're doing good but they're not really being incentivized to change.

TerraCondor Since: Dec, 2022
#1444: Feb 10th 2025 at 10:49:45 AM

[up]True, but one of those two isn't doing negative behavior that needs to change. He just needed a support group. The main question there is if Cecil is the kind of support he needs.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#1445: Feb 10th 2025 at 10:52:15 AM

[up][up]I don't think really Cecil cares about them changing. That's just the excuse he gave to Mark.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#1446: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:00:34 AM

Well if it helps Sinclair now works with corpses, not with living people, right?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1447: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:12:49 AM

I'm curious how the show is going to handle a scene from the comics.

Spoilers: Cecil reintroduces Sinclair to Mark to show how he's completely reformed. First he gives Mark a whole sob story about Sinclair being a brilliant man whose genius was laughed out by academia so his crimes are him having a crash out due to being ignored. We then meet Sinclair again who is shown to be a very nice man who says he's no longer evil and he's now currently happily engaged to a fellow co-worker scientist on the Reanimen soldiers. Mark even tells him thats great and wishes him the best.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1448: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:24:15 AM

[up] Hmm that is weird though did I read that in the comics: Sinclair's crimes were different and he didn't build reanimen until with the GDA?

It does sort of make a difference if Sinclair is free and just works for the GDA or if he's basically in jail but his cell his GDA laboratory.

Cecil was appropriately disgusted to be working with Sinclair in late season 1 after all but seemed to warm up to him. We haven't really seen Sinclair and his living situation in a while.

It's interesting that flashback Cecil was much more lethal or at least efficient with the redeemed supervillains he violently objected to.

It's also interesting to me that our pages seem pretty pro-Cecil and say he tried to deescalate the situation which seems overly generous to him leading Mark into the middle of a crowd of reanimen. Like he sort of tries but his personal skills seem to default to yell, put down and demand obedience though he can be slightly gentler when he chooses.

Edited by dcutter2 on Feb 10th 2025 at 7:26:16 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1449: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:33:26 AM

The crimes are pretty much the same to my knowledge. Abducting college students and homeless people, vivisecting them to create abominable soldiers, completely unrepentant and psychopathic. The show didn't make him worse than how he was in the comics when he first appeared.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TerraCondor Since: Dec, 2022
#1450: Feb 10th 2025 at 12:15:59 PM

I'm assuming he hasn't reappeared yet because voice actor controversy.


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