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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#226: May 1st 2021 at 9:58:42 AM

That....was some brutal shit.

I gotta say, I'm not sure if I really saw Mark and Debbie Amber as being back together. Like, I feel more like she's just trying to be there for him after a horrifically traumatic experience.

That might just be me though.

[down][down][down] whoops. Thanks.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 2nd 2021 at 3:11:00 PM

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Windona Beetle Brained from At the intersection of eternity (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#227: May 1st 2021 at 10:11:03 AM

[up]Oh, I fully expect an arc of them dealing with the aftermath. We just start seeing Mark pick up a piece at the end

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#228: May 1st 2021 at 10:27:33 PM

[up][up] you mean Amber right? I know Mark's close to his mother but yikes

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#229: May 1st 2021 at 10:28:40 PM

[up][up][up] Oh yeah, Rob bro wrong name there, really really wrong name.

Edited by slimcoder on May 1st 2021 at 10:28:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#230: May 2nd 2021 at 10:53:50 AM

Curious. Since we've been renewed for two more seasons.

How many would it take to complete the entire saga. All the way up to the final fight with Thragg assuming it's paced like this season.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#231: May 2nd 2021 at 10:59:05 AM

Kirkman recently stated he's mapping out for, at least, five to seven seasons.

"We have a rough road map of where different storylines fall and how the different seasons would begin and end, but it varies depending on how much we want to work in and how much we don't want to work in. I could see this going for somewhere between five to seven seasons, depending. It's not something that's set in stone; it could go much longer than that, and it could go much less than that. Who knows? But there's a potential there for us to do 100 seasons of the show."

luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#232: May 2nd 2021 at 11:46:09 AM

I should note that the Latin American Spanish dub is quite decent, considering this is the very first high-profile series dubbed in El Salvador, a country which, outside dubbing rather obscure stuff, documentals, and Brickleberry, they are pretty new in the Spanish voice-acting industry and that without going that El Salvador doesn't have a relevant media industry, compared with either Mexico, the U.S, and the South American countries like Venezuela, Colombia, Chile and the like.

For English-speaking readers, that would be the equivalent on dubbing to English in a country like South Africa, Trinidad & Tobago or Jamaica.

Edited by luisedgarf on May 2nd 2021 at 1:49:21 PM

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#233: May 2nd 2021 at 4:41:20 PM

Not sure how it'll work out given cross comics rights are evidently an issue, but I'd love to see Guarding the Globe adapted into a season.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#234: May 2nd 2021 at 5:00:04 PM

I am a bit sad they cut out the Savage Dragon cameos. Mark actually talking with the Dragon at the Guardians funeral and Debbie making friends with Superpatriots wife to have someone to talk to about Nolan.

Like it’s such a weird funny thing for Image comics to have these little cameos from their famous original properties as if they were in a shared universe despite that not really being possible.

I’m currently reading Spawn and there a bunch of references and cameos of Youngbloods and Savage Dragon in the early issues.

Edited by slimcoder on May 2nd 2021 at 5:01:15 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#235: May 2nd 2021 at 5:11:58 PM

Oh right.

Image took a weird approach to the Shared Universe didn't it?

As I understand, these other characters existed in each other's books, but only in relation to that universe.

Like, The Savage Dragon that appears in Invincible's book isn't necessarily the same Savage Dragon that appears in his own book or something like that wasn't it?

There was never any issue about things happening in one book de-railing what happened in another book, because they weren't necessarily the same guys.

I think.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#236: May 2nd 2021 at 11:35:40 PM

Fwiw I'm sure I saw that they were considering having Savage Dragon cameo in the show but decided against it.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#237: May 2nd 2021 at 11:43:56 PM

Oh fuck I never actually read Dragon but I know enough from this site that Savage’s son Malcom Dragon would be able to perfectly relate to Mark’s issues. [lol]

Well prolly not everything Mark experienced but a lot since Malcom goes through a lot of similar trials and tribulations Mark went through and also weds the love of his life and has some kids with her.

Though damn could Earth use the likes of Spawn and Dragon. They could handle Viltrumites.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#238: May 2nd 2021 at 11:46:23 PM

Spawn might be able to handle them, but Savage Dragon can't. Remember, Savage Dragon frequently struggled against even street level super freaks and Overlord. He's no match for a Superman expy.

Note that Emperor Kur needed a deadly biological weapon to pose a threat to humanity. A single Viltrumite otoh is a threat to humanity with nothing but their bare hands.

Edited by M84 on May 3rd 2021 at 2:47:44 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#239: May 2nd 2021 at 11:50:08 PM

Ouch poor guy's power level is not high enough.

Granted alien invasions is probably too much for a cops pay roll. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#240: May 3rd 2021 at 12:20:30 AM

Another difference is that Savage Dragon's powers aren't a common characteristic of his entire race. They're unique to his bloodline.

Mark kind of has this too. His father Nolan (and by extension Mark) are descended from the last Viltrumite Emperor Argall. This lineage means that Nolan and Mark are stronger than average even by Viltrumite standards (though Mark takes a long time to reach his full potential). Thragg is still stronger though, since he was literally born and raised to be the strongest Viltrumite.

At the start of the series I'd rank them thus: Thragg > Conquest > Nolan > most other Viltrumites > Mark.

Edited by M84 on May 4th 2021 at 3:22:36 AM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#241: May 3rd 2021 at 1:04:16 AM

Based on the comics Allen (initially) is presumably somewhere level with a regular Viltrumite given he handled Mark pretty easily but Nolan was pretty dismissive. Battle-beast would be roughly equal with a hypothetical Conquest but until the latter appears in the show properly it's hard to be definite.)

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#242: May 3rd 2021 at 1:07:10 AM

Allen becomes stronger than the average Viltrumite after coming back from the brink of death, so on par with Nolan. Battle Beast is easily slapped down by Thragg in their first encounter, but in their rematch he is able to fight Thragg for days before he gets his heart ripped out. By that point he was probably close to Thragg but not quite his equal. Conquest however was never shown to be close to Thragg power wise and in fact cowers before him.

Edited by M84 on May 3rd 2021 at 4:08:00 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#243: May 3rd 2021 at 1:13:07 AM

This is all so hilariously shonen in escalation. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#244: May 3rd 2021 at 1:16:45 AM

It's complicated by Mark's performance being very dependent on his emotional state. The comics put him through the wringer something awful, so he's not always able to fight at his best. For example, at one point he's become strong enough and mad enough to (barely) defeat Conquest. But later on he's still able to be defeated (and worse) by Anissa due to being in a very bad emotional state at the time. It's not until the end of the comic that he reaches his full potential and works out his issues to become the strongest and greatest leader of the Viltrumites.

Speaking of Anissa, I'm wondering how the animation will handle that if it runs long enough to reach that point.

Edited by M84 on May 3rd 2021 at 4:18:07 PM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#245: May 3rd 2021 at 3:23:58 AM

Yeah, that's going to be an interesting hurdle for them. They definitely aren't skimping out on th violence and gore but censorship is odd like that.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#246: May 3rd 2021 at 3:31:11 AM

Not just the act itself, but the aftermath and the reactions of the characters.

I just hope they don't change it so that it's a consensual thing.

Edited by M84 on May 3rd 2021 at 6:31:30 PM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#247: May 3rd 2021 at 3:46:40 AM

They may just avoid it completely. I hope not as the comic version honestly gets a lot right in terms of making it very clear it's a terrible thing and damages Mark badly, but I can see it. Especially as Anissa eventually does repent and make a Heel–Face Turn, but I don't know if that would fly in this day and age given she basically just... Gets away with it apart from feeling bad.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#248: May 3rd 2021 at 3:46:50 AM

A lot of the Image characters freely integrated with each other even after they left Image.

There’s actually a story that points out Omni-Man’s power when he fights the Rob Liefeld Supreme thanks to the Erik Larson run (which admittedly sucked) and won. He basically took on an even more blatant Superman Substitue and won.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#249: May 3rd 2021 at 3:49:36 AM

[up]And remember, Omni-Man is not even the strongest Viltrumite.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#250: May 3rd 2021 at 3:52:07 AM

[up]The Liefeld Supreme was also a complete dickcheese so whatever, I’m glad Omni-Man won, even if Supreme called him out on his hypocrisy.

On that note, I’m saddened Kirkman never got to do his take on Supreme, which was about Liefeld Supreme being forcibly retired and wondering how to deal with the world confining the Jerkass '90s Anti-Hero to history’s dustbin.


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