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PlasmaPower The not so angry beaver. Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
The not so angry beaver.
Dec 14th 2021 at 7:50:33 PM

I honestly have no clue how common racism actually is now, because I think what you end up seeing on Twitter and the news doesn't necessarily reflect what you'll encounter in the real world. The people who don't experience this stuff aren't news, after all.

Anyways, I tweaked it some more, and it looks ready to be put back in:

  • In 1947, the PSA "Don't be a sucker" was produced by the US Department of Defense. It debunks racism and religious intolerance, explaining how it leads to division, and also explains how intolerant speech led to the rise of Nazi Germany, The Holocaust and WW2 and how normalizing the hatred of minorities could cause the same to happen in the USA one day. The video would then go on to become viral because of its relevance to certain incidents after the 2016 US election (e.g. the 2017 Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally) due to how prominent racism had become around that time.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 14th 2021 at 12:01:59 PM

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Coolnut Game over from the EVIL Serenian Innkeeper from Somewhere between Coarsegold and Ogdensburg
Game over from the EVIL Serenian Innkeeper
Dec 14th 2021 at 8:11:09 PM

[up] OK, looks good.

"Hey boss! This here looks like a real Zero-Context Example! Whaddya want me ta do wid 'im?" RUB HIM OUT!
PlasmaPower The not so angry beaver. Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
The not so angry beaver.
Dec 14th 2021 at 9:26:11 PM

[up] I put it back in the Advertising folder, which I think is the appropriate place for PSAs? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 14th 2021 at 1:26:24 PM

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PlasmaPower The not so angry beaver. Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
The not so angry beaver.
Dec 14th 2021 at 10:21:17 PM

YMMV.Der Fuehrers Face

  • Values Dissonance: The racist Japanese stereotyping, and the Goering caricature being portrayed as Camp, possibly Camp Gay. Also, the comedic Those Wacky Nazis mockery of Nazism comes across as very dated today now that we're aware of the full horrors of the Holocaust. That being said...
  • Values Resonance: Its message still stands clear to this the day: Nazis are bad. There's no other way to put it, quite frankly.
    • It also stands as a surprisingly detailed and accurate deconstruction of the Nazis, who are here portrayed as so obsessed with hyping themselves as the "master race" and glorifying Hitler at the expense of everything else. As a result, they run an inefficient and incompetent war effort that impoverishes their citizens.

The entries seem to contradict themselves on how well the Nazis were protrayed, not to mention the natter and the pothole to a NRLEP trope.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 14th 2021 at 2:21:33 PM

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Dec 14th 2021 at 10:35:51 PM

[up] We could remove the second sentence from VD, and merge the two bullet points in VR together into one example while removing the NRLEP pothole.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas, the Living Drawing from The Town of Clayton Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas, the Living Drawing
Dec 14th 2021 at 10:46:21 PM

[up][up] Remove the second sentence. If anything the true scope of the naziís crimes should make them even more acceptable to mock as it shows that you think their ideas are stupid and they never deserve to be given any credibility or dignity in their portrayal. At least thatís why I make fun of them.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Dec 14th 2021 at 1:47:50 PM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Dec 15th 2021 at 12:10:32 AM

Plus you know plenty of works even now make fun of them. There's no dissonance.

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PlasmaPower The not so angry beaver. Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
The not so angry beaver.
Dec 15th 2021 at 8:28:49 AM

Actually, the VR entry might make more sense if I add context relating to the renewed attention towards neo-nazis around the late 2010s.

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Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
Dec 15th 2021 at 9:15:12 AM

A VR entry on 'Der Fuhrer's Face'' should be about how it has aged better than most other propaganda cartoons of the time by focusing on the suffering of civilians under Nazi rule instead of gung-ho militarism, dunking on pacifists, or racial caricatures (they're there, but not the focus).

Dec 20th 2021 at 8:16:40 AM

This was just added to YMMV.The Emperors New Groove. (Note that it's indented like there's more than one example when this is the only one.)

  • Values Dissonance:
    • The cast are all played by white American actors (and obviously Eartha Kitt), none being latino or indigenous. Afterwards, Disney would come under fire for "whitewashing voices" in Aladdin or The Hunchback of Notre Dame. References to their Indigenous culture is pretty much erased in the narrative.

It mentions whitewashing controversy for Aladdin and Hunchback, but AFAIK no one has complained about TENG having white voice actors yet, especially since this is a silly comedy film that isn't meant to be a serious portrayal of indigenous American cultures like the original Kingdom of the Sun draft was.

bwburke94 Friends forevermore from uǝʌɐǝɥ Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Friends forevermore
Dec 24th 2021 at 9:55:05 AM

Harry Potter has this.

  • The series was rather pointedly intended as a socially conscious morality play about the evils of prejudice and racism, and it tackles many subjects related to social justice ó but when reading it at any point after the mid-2010s, it can be rather striking to note the topics that it doesn't tackle. The Wizarding World has its own force of armed police officers (called "Aurors"), but the issue of Police Brutality is never even hinted at; it has its own prison system and court system, but it's never even suggested that Muggle-borns (supposedly an unjustly oppressed social underclass) are ever treated unfairly by the justice system; and while it's made clear that economic inequality is an issue in the Wizarding World, none of the Muggle-born characters are ever shown to be affected by poverty.

So apparently, ever since BLM, it is now offence to not have a minority stand-in be victims of police brutality or poverty?

Seriously, are people realy going to go "I just noticed non of the Muggle-born's get attacked/killed by police officers. THAT'S RACIST!"

WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Dec 24th 2021 at 10:59:48 AM

Yeah, that's just complaining that the books don't go far enough. Plus it's all from Harry's perspective... He can't see and know everything.

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas, the Living Drawing from The Town of Clayton Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas, the Living Drawing
Dec 24th 2021 at 11:17:52 AM

[up][up][up] I thought we already cut that.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Dec 24th 2021 at 2:18:45 PM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Dec 24th 2021 at 11:43:07 AM

Also this is you know a series set in the UK rather the US....

Where police tend to be less brutal in general. A large number of officers don't even use guns....

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mightymewtron "See? Kisses!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"See? Kisses!"
Dec 24th 2021 at 12:05:47 PM

[up] That sounds like fodder for an actual Values Dissonance example about the differences between what audiences in the UK and US expect.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Dec 24th 2021 at 12:09:46 PM

I mean, if I had never heard of the books and picked them up for the first time right now as an American 20-something, the "police brutality" issue still wouldn't cross my mind. Like I said, not every social issue needs to be touched upon in the story. Harry doesn't know everything that goes on, and the story would probably be dragged down if we had to have an obligatory "Aurors beat a black wizard" scene just so Harry could go "damn, we live in a society don't we?" and never mention it again.

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AHauntedMind from Manchester
Dec 25th 2021 at 11:41:42 AM

Values Resonance: Not just the racial issues, but the fact that in the end, Pocahontas is single and complete without a man, Bittersweet Ending though it is.

This entry from Pocahontas bothers me, as it implies a woman not falling in love with a man is automatically progressive, even though it clearly isn't.

Edited by AHauntedMind on Dec 25th 2021 at 7:45:52 PM

WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Dec 25th 2021 at 11:46:01 AM

People are just gonna keep ignoring the sequel, aren't they?

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bwburke94 Friends forevermore from uǝʌɐǝɥ Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Friends forevermore
Dec 25th 2021 at 3:15:54 PM

[up] It's a direct-to-video Disney sequel, of course people are going to ignore it.

PlasmaPower The not so angry beaver. Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
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I'm Sad Frogerson.
Dec 25th 2021 at 4:54:59 PM

I found a Values Resonance on the YMMV page for Batman: Arkham Origins regarding the "Cold, Cold, Heart" DLC, that's more about how the "Heart of Ice" episode from Batman: The Animated Series was still good because the DLC kept the same basic plot.

  • Values Resonance: The "Cold, Cold, Heart" DLC is a direct adaptation of the classic note  Batman: The Animated Series episode "Heart of Ice," following the same beats of the story rather closely. It even follows a lot of the most powerful emotional moments of that episode, with many pointing out this just only proves just how timeless the original story was. "Take a seat, humanitarian."

First, an entry like this would make more sense on "Heart of Ice" than Arkham Origins. Second, this isn't really about how the themes or messages from the original episode still hold up, just the general quality of the episode.

Should it be cut?

PhantomDusclops92 Somebody normal from Do you even care? Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Somebody normal
Dec 26th 2021 at 8:40:45 AM

Cut. It's more gushing about that episode than anything else.

I'm fine!
Dec 26th 2021 at 9:41:08 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up]I've removed the Harry Potter thing I mentioned.

AHauntedMind from Manchester
Dec 30th 2021 at 12:09:06 AM

Unfortunate Implications: The unfortunate message about gender roles in this movie didn't go unnoticed. Notoriously, its only real antagonist is a popular, athletic tomboy and a bully (without succumbing to the "mean girl" stereotype) who gets mind raped into becoming docile and feminine after being trapped, terrified, in a featureless, black void. Everyone in-universe sees as an improvement, with Runt in particular exclaiming "She's perfect!" and more or less forcing her to be his girlfriend against her will, giving the impression that it's more important for a girl to be liked by boys than be herself.

This Chicken Little example seems invalid to me, because the character is a bully. The brainwashing is supposed to be comeuppance, not a gender roles commentary.


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