I don't really see the point of renaming. I think the description needs to be clarified to explain what does and doesn't count.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"(1,2,3) are definitely correct in my personal IMO. 5 is definitely wrong. I'm on the fence about 4.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it."Allow examples of characters who can comfortably survive in space on account of some external aid less than a full spacesuit." - Can I get an example for this one? There's no wick check.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
- Guardians of the Galaxy apparently operates by the principle that you can't breathe in space, but if you have some kind of respirator, you need no other protection from the elements. Peter Quill flies from the Kyln to the other Guardians in the Milano in nothing but his civilian clothes and his mask, which doesn't even cover his hair. Similarly, Peter later saves Gamora's life by coming out of his mining pod in space and giving her his mask, holding his breath long enough for The Cavalry — in the form of his space pirate adopted family — to come and get both of them. Neither suffer particularly ill effects given that they both spend about a minute in vacuum.
Even if there's no serious clarity issue, the trope name does feel...bad to me. It's a situation speaking for the actual concept of the trope, and even though the character in the name isn't integral to understanding, a character doesn't need to be cited in the name at all. There's a reason we don't use Alice and Bob phrases in trope names, which is basically what this one is doing.
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I think examples like that one would be good only if we also rename the trope, which I'm in favor of doing. Perhaps something along the lines of Improbable Space Survival should do the trick. Characters like that can't breathe in space, so an example like that would be confusing under the current name.
Edited by FernandoLemon on Sep 10th 2020 at 10:29:28 AM
I'd like to apologize for all this.Going into more depth about the issue of renaming:
This thread exists because the description is unclear. There is no evidence of misuse demonstrated, and no wick check was done. We have no reason to believe the name is contributing to misuse. All the crowner definition options are just as compatible with Improbable Space Survival as they the current name.
I feel like lately the TRS has been automatically moving towards renaming or cutting tropes even when that's not a commensurate solution, and ignoring the massive amount of work it involves. This is also leading to a shift toward very boring, boilerplate "adjective noun noun" titles which I think makes the wiki less fun. This is ok when the old title was nonindicative as they often are — Clear Concise Witty after all. But in this case I think the current title is not unclear, and is also a lot funnier.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
Wick Checks are important, fam. If you want to rename, give us a reason to.
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Right, changing both the name and the description/scope is effectively making a new trope from scratch.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:48:15 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.My motive for renaming was due to agreement that the trope wasn't exclusively about being able to breathe in space, but about space survival in general (such as being able to survive with a helmet but no space suit).
I'd like to apologize for all this.Crowner status update:
- Allow examples of unrealistic comfort is at 16:0 in favour.
- Allow examples of comfort due to external aid (less than full suit) is at 9:6 in favour (below the 2:1 consensus).
No, it isn't stable. In the time since I posted, the crowner has gained +1 votes for the first option and +2 votes for the second option. We can wait a few days to see how it changes. Crowners stay until the vote ratio demonstrates stability over a long time (~three days is the rule).
Another rule that it has already passed, is that crowners should have at least ten votes. Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Crown Description:
"Split" and "soft-split" are mutually exclusive.

Here it is
. I'll wait for some input before asking to hook, see if anything else needs to be added.
I'd like to apologize for all this.