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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#276: Apr 12th 2024 at 6:50:10 PM

Headcanon-y answer is that several Vaults are experiments not really designed to work but to provide data for whoever does repopulate.

I will say that Fascist regimes engaging in horrifyingly sadistic research is plausible. Unity 731, Mengele, The Ahnenerbe all come to mind. The US government IRL has also done some evil experiments before too, so it could happen here.

Though on the other hand, it does come across as Stupid Evil, I'd figure it'd be more pragmatic to build a lot more control vaults or at least let the buyer decide things

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#277: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:05:43 PM

[up][up] Yeah but you'd need that information before you colonize worlds after the nuclear war.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Caps-luna Since: Jun, 2013
#278: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:07:20 PM

[up][up]Headcanon-y answer

I mean that was the official lore until now. And i mean, I thought that's what they were going for until now. They reference Vault tec colonizing space in the Nyka World dlc. Vault 111 was an expirement for seeing how long cryo stays could last before it failed. Almost like someone was trying to get a feel for how far sleeper starship could go.

Edited by Caps-luna on Apr 12th 2024 at 11:41:46 AM

Hatchets I am.. tired from Scandinavia Since: Apr, 2024 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
I am.. tired
#279: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:11:19 PM

Say.. A thought that occurred to me, not sure if its been brought up yet but?

In Vault 32, there is a message in blood "Death to Management"

And with everything else regarding it in the show, adds to my thought..

In Fallout 76, the people the NPC Orlando works for is simply called

The Management, and nothing much is known of them. Common fan theory is that its the Enclave, but with the show... Its probably the remnants of Vault-Tec

We had a good run
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:12:11 PM

Sorry, I don't doubt that, it's just if they planned to launch spaceships then they would have done that after the nuclear war.

And not try to do it however many years or months after the war when the infrastructure no longer exists to evacuate Earth.

So it makes sense the Enclave's plan was sabotaged by Vault-Tec

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 12th 2024 at 7:12:44 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#281: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:14:37 PM

[up][up]It is very heavily implied The Managment from 76 is MODUS, so there's already some narrative connective tissue there.

Edited by ArthurEld on Apr 12th 2024 at 7:14:58 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282: Apr 12th 2024 at 7:16:03 PM

Vault-Tec also told the Oversee of 76 to secure the nukes in the region for Vault-Tec.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#283: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:04:15 PM

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/original-fallout-lead-tim-cain-loves-the-new-show-but-remains-baffled-by-how-destructive-fans-can-act-toward-people-who-are-trying-to-create-things/

An article talking about how 1 of Fallout's lead devs Tim Cain liking what he saw in Fallout the TV series but hating the vitriol the New Vegas fans are throwing towards it as well as the pro-Bethesda vs anti-Bethesda tribalism w/in Fallout's fandom.

Edited by KRider on Apr 12th 2024 at 9:04:42 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:15:16 PM

Tim Cain has betrayed the values of true Tim Cain fans!

:)

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#285: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:23:17 PM

That's not surprising.

It's like when certain comic book fans are ardently DC or Marvel when, the vast majority of the time, the people who work for DC and Marvel (and it is often both), have professional courtesy and basic decency towards each other. Part of that is just presenting a united front, but another part of that is that writers generally acknowledge things that fans don't.

A big part of that is that writers (and basically anybody in the entertainment industries) know how hard it is to get anything made in the first place.

There's also a disconnect in that often writers feel far less of a sense of ownership toward work than fans do, towards their own work (especially if its somebody else's IP). Few writers like to have "their stuff" messed with, but they're generally very understanding when people do it (at least with a rotating universe and not creator owned stuff). That also leads fans to think that if a writer has something bad happen to a character, or faction or place, it means the writer must hate or dislike that thing.

Speaking in my professional capacity, that's generally very rare.

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#286: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:46:57 PM

When the initial anger over everything that happened in New Vegas was All for Nothing, the controversy will subside.

I think a lot of the controversy is because most Fallouts have good endings like the canon ending, so many fans may assume that the writers hate New Vegas, because that rule doesn't seem to apply with this game.

Edited by Luisdalas on Apr 12th 2024 at 9:51:11 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#287: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:51:33 PM

That's an optimistic view on how gamers usually treat this sort of thing.

Also, it's too early to say "everying in New Vegas" was All for Nothing. We don't know what happened to who. (Likewise, you called the Courier a Failure Hero earlier and that is not what that trope means.)

And obviously, if the King is still alive, then any amount of written off material would still be worth it.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#288: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:52:25 PM

[up] (5) This is all still very funny and very ironic. [lol]

[up] Meh, I think having Master Chief unmasked and having a human in the Covenant at all were dumb ideas, and that show got a Season 2.

MK 2020 decided to reboot Scorpion as a ghost Digimon and butchered Shang Tsung's most iconic line. That movie has a sequel.

Sonic was the most meme'd about franchise out there and frankly deserved it, but the 2 films were well received by doubling down and using tired cliches in fun ways.

All that to say video game adaptions find weird redemptions and market appeal a lot I think.

The corner of the fanbase who loudly and vehemently hate the Betheseda titles and are getting lit up about this grand disrespect from the TV series are probably a fraction of the people Betheseda has conned into buying Fallout 76.

Edited by FOFD on Apr 12th 2024 at 12:58:48 PM

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#289: Apr 12th 2024 at 9:58:13 PM

[up]*2 Until next season gives more context, I wouldn't be surprised if the Courier (AKA The Angry Mailman) becomes a Memetic Loser.

Edited by Luisdalas on Apr 12th 2024 at 9:58:25 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#290: Apr 12th 2024 at 10:03:24 PM

Sure, but that's just you know, fan-wank.

In a narrative sense, you can't just go and slap a bunch of "failure/bad hero" tropes on the Courier because that's not how those tropes work.

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#291: Apr 12th 2024 at 10:09:17 PM

That doesn't change the fact that a large part of the fandom considers that the series canonized "the worst possible ending", so for better or worse, there will be some rivalry, at least until the second season

—-

Changing the subject a bit, the New Vegas that appears at the end feels small.

I mean, in the game it was small, but it was only because of Space Compression.

Edited by Luisdalas on Apr 12th 2024 at 10:12:54 AM

Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#292: Apr 12th 2024 at 10:27:26 PM

One thing to note, and yes I know people here are sick of hearing people gripe about retcons, but this one is baffling to me because it wasn't remotely necessary? TL;DR they put Shady Sands in Los Angeles for some reason (and I can prove it) instead of just nuking New Adytum, which is the NCR's canonical major city in the area which wouldn't leave fans too upset if you blew it up.

    Receipts, lol — UNMARKED SPOILERS 
  • 1. Lucy walks from V33 to Filly, which is within a day or so's walking distance of the crashed Soviet satellite, where you can see LAX in the near distance
  • 2. There she is directed to follow some coordinates to Moldaver's compound at Griffith Observatory, which is "just on the other side of the big shithole", which the shopkeep refuses to elaborate on beyond it being a highly radioactive hotspot
  • 3. She starts headed in a roughly straight line there thanks to her pip-boy's GPS. Loses the head and gets dragged off by Cooper. Maximus recovers the head and heads back to Filly? IIRC? for extraction
  • 4. She escapes Cooper in the middle of a large bombed out pre-war city and reunites with Maximus there. Clearly they're still in LA.
  • 5. They follow the tracking device in the head in a roughly straight line, again thanks to her pip-boy, encountering the ruins of Shady Sands in the process. They finally catch up to the head at the radio station in Hollywood Hills, which is "just over the hill" from Shady Sands
  • 6. Last and most damning, you can, uh. See Shady Sands' crater from Griffith Observatory in the middle of LA in the last episode. It's... a major setpiece.

For those not brushed up on the lore Shady Sands was, prior to this... pretty blatant retcon, built from scratch out of adobe in the desert about 150 miles north of LA, east of Mt. Whitney. Again, really weird to do this and not just do New Adytum, which has the benefit of not appearing or being mentioned all that much after FO 1 besides saying that it's thriving, letting you do this exact story with almost no changes without borking the lore or decapitating the entire leadership and government of a fan-favorite faction :P

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Apr 12th 2024 at 10:42:01 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#293: Apr 12th 2024 at 10:33:22 PM

New Vegas is pretty small, though. Not necessarily by post-War standards, but even with Freeside it's barely a fraction of what Las Vegas was.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#294: Apr 13th 2024 at 2:20:18 AM

I remember House saying "If you want the see the results of the democracy, just look outside" and man, doe the reveals in this series kinda gives different context to this and makes House look less geniune.

I just hope that the backlash wouldn't make the creators of the series to start to shit all over New Vegas lore in next season out of spite.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Apr 13th 2024 at 12:21:20 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#295: Apr 13th 2024 at 5:03:14 AM

I feel like New Vegas will probably be full of people next season.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 13th 2024 at 5:03:30 AM

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Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#296: Apr 13th 2024 at 5:37:27 AM

People, about Tim Cain statement, Joe Quesada also created something with One More Day. Are you going to defend that?.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#297: Apr 13th 2024 at 5:46:51 AM

[up]I'm not sure what you mean.

I'm glad he likes it because it's a fantastic series.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#298: Apr 13th 2024 at 6:12:18 AM

[up]I'm referring to this quote:"You guys can be really destructive," Cain said, "Which is odd, because you do it to people who are trying to make things."

Yeah, many people in the industry try to make things, many of them are horrible. So, I don't know how this statement can be taken seriously.

And I really disagree in being an amazing series when the main plot is based in cheating to make the viewer believe something and then do a Shyamalan, badly.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#299: Apr 13th 2024 at 8:32:28 AM

No one was talking about the Tim Cain statement.

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#300: Apr 13th 2024 at 8:44:20 AM

[up]*7 again, it's Space Compression for player comfort.

In the comics it is shown that Vegas is very big.


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