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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#701: Mar 18th 2022 at 5:25:43 AM

The artbook even mentions that he's basically on the verge of having an identity crisis, which I think goes along with the Pepa side of the family generally getting pretty crappy gifts that are difficult to control or use in a constructive way.(I think that applies to Antonio as well. Talking to animals is great, but not super useful under most circumstances and a power like that is just kind of asking for Antonio to pay less attention to the actual people in the village.)

Abuela should probably have figured out that the Miracle wasn't really about deserving it or not much earlier than she did, considering what over half of the gifts are like.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#702: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:16:09 AM

It does showcase the culture of the family where it doesn't really matter if the power actually is useful or not. What matter is if they have a power at all cause any power is better than no power.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 18th 2022 at 6:40:06 AM

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#703: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:37:19 AM

Sounds like a forum game, pick the worst power and the next person figures how Abuela would put it to work.

So you think Camillo only adopted this theatrical entertainer personality so he can do something and not appear to be useless? Worse, his power might be seen as creepy and he might end up outcast like Bruno. (Of course Bruno's power is useful but clearly majority clearly see it differently)

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#704: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:46:01 AM

As the Honest Trailers guy pointed out, "What's that useful for? Crime?" With a shot of Camilo pretending to be Dolores so he can grab another plate of food. Shapeshifting is a fantastic power for con artists and spies. But outside of those niches, it's of very limited utility.

The best usage the film comes up with for it is in the opening Family Madrigal music video, where he impersonates parents in order to trick their children long enough for the real parents to rest.

Which is, I should note, an asset that any parent would appreciate. Though I imagine any kid that catches him doing that is going to grow up paranoid that anyone in their life might secretly be Camilo at any given moment.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 18th 2022 at 6:49:36 AM

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#705: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:51:14 AM

Ironically, the power that is only decent for entertainment, was most likely put into the movie...because it's entertaining.

I mean, of all powers, his would the easiest to change without rewriting story too much.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#706: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:53:37 AM

I feel like he'd also be useful in case someone needs a tall or short person.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#707: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:54:36 AM

Truly a gift that cannot go to waste.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#708: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:57:59 AM

The movie doesn't really go into it, but Pepa's gift must be awful to try and make useful.

"We need rain!"

"Great, go remind Pepa of her wedding day"

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#709: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:06:24 AM

Having to basically schedule your emotions really sounds unhealthy.

Wake me up at your own risk.
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#710: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:15:47 AM

Yeah, there's a lot of ways that weather control can benefit a community, but keying it to Pepa's emotions was a real dick move on the Miracle's part. Some Gifts are actually worse than being ungifted.

Personally, I wonder what Luisa will do with all of her free time since Antonio will definitely take over donkey wrangling.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 18th 2022 at 7:16:34 AM

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#711: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:20:59 AM

[up][up] Granted we don't know if she actaully does that.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#712: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:25:52 AM

She kinda has to, at least to some degree. The movie doesn't really talk about what she does, but the only thing that really makes sense is weather control for growing crops, and making sure big events stay sunny. "You are not allowed to have a breakdown today, your sister's getting married" or "It's been sunny and dry for two months and we really need rain for the crops, think about something really sad for a few hours."

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#713: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:47:57 AM

[up] Yes, her introductory scene shows her tripping down in a field, so I imagine her duty is getting sad so the farm gets watered. It seems the problem isn't doing the best to help the community, but all the pressure Alma put on them so they would be completely helpful all the time instead of being their own individuals. Ironically, the pressure made Isabela's gift less useful, since growing different kinds of plants like crops would be much better to help the community than just decorating the town with flowers everywhere like what she thought her gift was about. They weren't given time to express and test their abilities, and so they didn't achieve their full potential to help the town.

Edited by good-morning on Mar 18th 2022 at 12:08:22 PM

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#714: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:52:37 AM

Ahh, Isabela. Yet another entry in my ever-growing list of:

  • Movie: And this is your character.
  • Me: Ooh, I really relate to this character. What's she like?
  • Movie: Chafing under high expectations and having to wear a mask of absolute pinnacle perfection all the time. Yearns for a sense of freedom she doesn't fully understand because she's never known anything beyond the strict role that she's been placed in and excels in.
  • Me: Yeah! grin
  • Movie: Also, she's the absolute worst. Like, a complete fucking asshole all the time. The audience is guaranteed at least a few moments of looking at her and wondering how a single person can contain this much shittiness all at once.
  • Me: ...yeah. sad

That's not a complaint. This character gets me. It'd just be nice not to be reminded of it every time a movie or show comes out. [lol]

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 18th 2022 at 7:54:09 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#715: Mar 18th 2022 at 7:56:26 AM

Well, hey, at least there are several characters stuck with putting on a perfectionist mask here.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#716: Mar 18th 2022 at 9:03:29 AM

Funnily enough my sister was a huge fan of Isabela while she was still in her ego phase.

Sis: I love her. She’s perfect. Everyone get out of her way.
Me: She’s being kind of condescending to her sibling…
Sis: It’s not snobby if she really is just better than everyone!

Then Isabela revealed her insecurities and reveled in her weird side and my sister didn’t like her anymore. [lol]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 18th 2022 at 9:04:44 AM

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#717: Mar 18th 2022 at 9:27:01 AM

Not gonna lie, that sounds like exactly the kind of opinion a 15-year-old me would have held.

Meanwhile, 35-year-old me literally cried during What Else Can I Do. This song was my Let It Go.

Made me a little sad that people only gush about We Don't Talk About Bruno and Surface Pressure. <.<

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 18th 2022 at 9:32:40 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#718: Mar 18th 2022 at 10:34:48 AM

That one’s my favorite song too. For the emotions, and for all the science and plants. cool

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#719: Mar 18th 2022 at 11:37:29 AM

WDTAB is my favorite song but WECID is a close second. Surface Pressure's okay but it's not on the level of those two or even the opening song.

HeyMikey Since: Jul, 2015
#720: Mar 18th 2022 at 12:10:56 PM

Potentially with Camilo's powers there is some mundane utility in it, especially if you consider all its implications shown throughout the movie. Even if you only limit it to realistic human transformations there were two parts that could be fully explored, that he can change sizes (during Antonio's ceremony, he turned into a miniature Felix) and he can mix and match (when powers were going haywire, he was able to have a baby head on his normal body). He could basically become Captain America, peak human by basically changing himself to have an Olympian body for any task. Or an entertainer, because he could sing or speak with any voice he wanted. Get into small crevices with the size of a child, or reach tall places like the tallest man, or serve as a human weight by becoming fat. Maybe rent himself out to the nearby seamstress to become the perfect dressmaker's dummy (like if I want to get clothes as a present for family, but don't know their size and want to keep it a surprise).

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#721: Mar 18th 2022 at 12:27:54 PM

My sister got offended when I told her I saw her as my Isabela and that she actually identified with Luisa.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#722: Mar 18th 2022 at 1:24:06 PM

I love Luisa a lot but I think my situation growing up was much more like Isabela's. I've always felt the need to do and be what I thought would make my parents happy, to the point that I frequently had difficulty telling if I wanted something for me or if I wanted it because I thought that's what my parents wanted me to want. Hell, I still kind of have that problem. Caused me to resent my younger sister a great deal too because she never had the same expectations that were put on me. (I don't think I was as much of an asshole to her as Isabela was to Mirabel though. At least I hope I wasn't!)

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Mar 18th 2022 at 4:25:36 AM

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HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#723: Mar 18th 2022 at 2:31:35 PM

I feel like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.

"It is 1941. I am sick of When You Wish Upon A Star."

"It is 1995. I am sick of Hakuna Matata."

"It is 2014. I am sick of Let It Go."

"It is 2022. I am sick of We Don't Talk About Bruno."

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#725: Mar 19th 2022 at 1:54:23 AM

I think Isabela's attitude comes off two-fold, one from pressure and the other from Mirabel thinking she is better. It's why them hugging and making amends was good.


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