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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#551: Jun 18th 2023 at 9:56:40 AM

No color page for chapter 133 after 45 in a row. How strange.

    Chapter 133 
Really pushing content restrictions this chapter: nipples that were explicitly-drawn in every respects but shading, an Imagine Spot of boy Matsuri and Suzu mid-coitus that's even more explicit than the last, and that's just clearly supposed to be semen spread across the next panel.

Despite last chapter's cliffhanger, Shadow Mei accomplished nothing at all.

Are we seriously supposed to believe Suzu loves both Matsuris equally? If so, this arc has done a terrible job showing it: Suzu has been uncomfortable in boy Matsuri's presence whenever he wasn't mind-controlled.

"Suzu demands a threesome or nothing" is funny in isolation, but every followup I can imagine is insanely dark. The best-case scenario is girl Matsuri pretends to consent to exorcise boy Matsuri or otherwise protect Suzu. Otherwise, the Gogyosen basically have to either have Lippy make them join in or force boy Matsuri onto Suzu.

The anime restarts next month, and even though we won't get to new episode until late August, the trailers include some new scenes. (Including ones adapted from chapters 26 and 27, after the Jinyo arc.)

Edited by thatother1dude on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:58:28 AM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#552: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:38:16 AM

It’s not really a question of "which Matsuri she likes more", because they’re the same goddamn person to begin with. So her, err, solution makes sense in a way. Anything other than a threesome would be like she’s having sex with only half of Matsuri. At least I suppose that’s her rationale.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#553: Jun 18th 2023 at 11:33:30 AM

It’s not really a question of "which Matsuri she likes more", because they’re the same goddamn person to begin with.
Suzu explicitly didn't see them the same right after the split; she'd gotten more use to girl Matsuri. Suzu then concluded "boy Matsuri is also really Matsuri" because he demanded she kiss him—despite that being completely out-of-character and caused by an outside influence.

Basically, the story introduced a conflict unnecessarily, then resolved it in the stupidest way possible.

Anything other than a threesome would be like she’s having sex with only half of Matsuri.
Do you think she wants a more conventional threesome or would be satisfied using an omokage to simultaneously do each separately? Because there's a difference between joining your clone in a polycule versus joining them in group sex, even if they would both be focused on Suzu. (Also, I think Suzu's underused her omokage for lewd things.)

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#554: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:28:36 PM

The last thing Suzu needs is more ideas on how to be horny.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#555: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:56:40 PM

It’s hilarious that Suzu being too horny is what tripping the Gogyosen up.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#556: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:02:49 PM

Yup. If anything their plan was working extremely well, they just didn't like the feeling that Suzu was the one taking the initiative haha.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#557: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:02:49 PM

[up][up][up]I'm just saying, I don't think either Matsuri wants see the other's O-face or fight over limited real estate. If Suzu has a second body, she can divide things equally while still feeling it all.

[up][up]Once Lippy got rid of Suzu's inhibitions, I figured the only way to hold out was lust directed elsewhere.

The best-case scenario is girl Matsuri pretends to consent to exorcise boy Matsuri or otherwise protect Suzu.
I realized the Gogyosen could just try to kill girl Matsuri. Suzu is talking about "as long there are two Matsuris". Maybe that'll be the plan until girl Matsuri tries to get in.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jun 18th 2023 at 7:03:46 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#558: Jun 25th 2023 at 9:55:50 AM

Besides the lack of two color pages, there's a break one week earlier than normal. Yabuki posted on Twitter that it's to compensate for working on "something else".

    Chapter 134 
The fastest pace I considered for this chapter was still slower than what actually happened. Assassinating Suzu via seduction has been ruled out (by some magic weakness that was never mentioned before), so now they resort to open force. Which is kinda irritating after last chapter's cliffhanger.

This is the first chapter of Volume 16, so even if that's the last volume, there will be either seven or eight chapters left (depending on if chapter 88.5 is included). Regardless of how Matsuri's gender is resolved, my biggest fear is there's no room to elaborate on the outcome because too much was spent on fighting.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#559: Jun 25th 2023 at 10:12:27 AM

Hmm, is there a reason to think this is the last volume? I mean, sure, it could be if this finally resolves things, but I was wondering if there was some reason to expect it.

I mean, the weakness coming out of nowhere is a bit silly, but the thing that caused it to come up would've scuttled the plan anyway—if Suzu works out that that's not Matsuri, then the sex plan would never get anywhere. So, it doesn't really change anything.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#560: Jun 25th 2023 at 11:05:04 AM

Hmm, is there a reason to think this is the last volume?
Some people point out Yabuki said Suzu's confession at the end of volume 8 was "like a halfway point", but I'm not taking the number so literally.

The real sign to me is the setup for Matsuri's gender to be a finalized issue in either direction. If boy Matsuri dies or stays separate from girl Matsuri, then we get a permanently-female Matsuri. If boy Matsuri survives to merge with girl Matsuri, we'll get a single, male Matsuri as soon as Shadow Mei decides to work with Kanade and Suzu—which this chapter showed she's almost ready to do.

I would like the series to continue well past then (with or without boy Matsuri alongside), to explore the consequences of (a) Matsuri being a girl for life, but story's been extremely averse to that specific idea. Conversely, I cannot imagine the manga continuing long without girl Matsuri, who's basically the face of the series in that specific form.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#561: Jun 25th 2023 at 11:41:12 AM

Could also just be an end to the 'okay we can undo this just by undoing this one curse' thing. It can still function as a driving force perfectly fine.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#562: Jun 25th 2023 at 12:12:42 PM

[up]I don't understand what you mean.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jun 25th 2023 at 2:13:07 PM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#563: Jun 25th 2023 at 12:38:21 PM

So, at first it was 'Get Shirogane to under the Gender Swap Awakened thing', but when it looked like that was going to be possible, Shirogane lost the power. Now we're at the point where Suzu + Co. could conceivably agree to undo it... but killing M. Matsuri would, if Matsuri's intuition is correct, stop that from ever happening. So, there's nothing to preclude chasing after a plan C.

Even if Kanade is likely to be the only one pushing super hard for it.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#564: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:51:07 PM

"Boy Matsuri dies as a means for the story to make Matsuri permanently female" is already weird, because an innocent person's life seems like the way more important issue.

"Boy Matsuri dies, but girl Matsuri can become male again anyway." would be infuriating. Even besides being a copout, it would make his death completely pointless.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#565: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:20:44 PM

I would think it depends on two key things: how it's done (if it's ever done), and if there were any more direct repercussions. Because I could certainly envisage a scenario where it's not really a matter of returning to being male, since that's not possible, and more trying to do the entire process in reverse... only, it's just the shrimp that wants it when it gets that far.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#566: Jun 25th 2023 at 6:16:57 PM

Was anyone else amused that Suzu dispelled Lippy's horny spell with her own, natural, horniness? Those elders were flabbergasted.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#567: Jun 25th 2023 at 7:11:09 PM

I could certainly envisage a scenario where it's not really a matter of returning to being male, since that's not possible, and more trying to do the entire process in reverse...
My understanding is that the Gogyosen stealing Matsuri's "manhood" means their body will be female with or without Shirogane's jutsu applied. If Matsuri can get "manhood" from someone else to replace it, the Gogyosen are probably the only ones capable of doing such.

[up]I could already tell that's what happened last chapter. Suzu's "swirly" eyes went away when she saw girl Matsuri texted her "I love you".

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#568: Jun 25th 2023 at 7:48:56 PM

Anyhow, if the death actually feeds into further plot and more obscure methods, it's not really in vain

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#569: Jul 9th 2023 at 9:10:41 AM

Hmm, is there a reason to think this is the last volume?
I figured out another reason since then: the anime has twelves episodes and restarts broadcasting from the beginning the same day next chapter comes out. If the manga has 8 chapters left, it would end almost simultaneously. I'm suspecting the pacing of the arc (which started in January) was slowed down once the anime was delayed to get it that way.
[up]Then the difference this 19 chapter arc makes is changing the preconditions to make Matsuri a boy—for a third time." Making boy Matsuri seem completely disposable to the plot would not engendered much pathos for his life.

Even if it did, that would be another "infuriating" thing about it. This manga has killed almost no sympathetic characters whatsoever in the present timeframe, and hasn't even shown unnamed humans dying. Conversely, it's been heavily implied that Matsuri could still be happy without the transformation being undone. What is the takeaway of allowing that one but not the other?

    Chapter 135 
Matsuri admitting to loving Suzu even when she's a pervert was good, but Matsuri's attitude of "protecting Suzu's life is worth staying a girl" and Suzu's response are literally the same as in chapter 3. That's OK for a brief callback, but it'd be pretty underwhelming as a conclusion to this arc.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#570: Jul 9th 2023 at 10:51:33 AM

I mean… it’s Suzu going up against the elders, and she’ll probably pull off a win without destroying Male!Matsuri.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#571: Jul 9th 2023 at 12:20:57 PM

Why are Suzu's thighs a negative

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#572: Jul 9th 2023 at 2:53:08 PM

[up][up] Oh yeah, and honestly, that would be

super unfortunate. He needs to go somehow. Would be kind of a shitty outcome of "okay you need to share the person you're in love with with this spontaneously-spawned doppelganger of yours after all this random shit"

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#573: Jul 9th 2023 at 3:03:21 PM

Clearly that's what Shadow Mei is for. tongue

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#574: Jul 9th 2023 at 4:21:38 PM

So... just a thought but are we going to be minus one male Matsuri and plus one female Matsuri?

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#575: Jul 9th 2023 at 6:13:50 PM

[up] I don’t think that happens. There’s no point in having two female Matsuris.

[up][up] Also Reo would be very willing to help.


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