Does this line from the definition feel wrong to anyone else? It seems like it's based on the "Dude, Not Funny!" definition rather than the censorship definition.
Yeah, I think that part should probably be removed, for the reason you gave.
That and you can't play with trivia items.
Well, that's enough editing for the night...just edited 200+ or so pages where the old name was used, and changed entries to Distanced from Current Events whenever possible.
I noticed in some examples where a work is delayed/recalled/otherwise banned thanks to a scandal involving one of the creators. Does this go anywhere?
Maybe that would fit Undermined by Reality (which is also Trivia), though I'm not positive.
Edit: Fixed a typo (not sure how I took so long to notice that).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 22nd 2020 at 9:54:36 AM
Marginally so, but I think TLP'ing a new trope let's say Cancelled For A Controversy (with a less stilted name ideally) may be better. That might cover things like COPS, and more tentatively things like the home video release of Reservoir Dogs (per YMMV.Reservoir Dogs), the Superstar Limo ride in mentioned at YMMV.Superstar Limo, The Hunt (2020) (per YMMV.The Hunt 2020), The Ritz (per YMMV.The Ritz), the Torna ~ The Golden Country Expansion Pack of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (per YMMV.Xenoblade Chronicles 2) and X1999 (per YMMV.X1999).
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jun 21st 2020 at 3:58:05 PM
I found this example on Funny.The Nostalgia Critic 2009 Episodes and I'm not sure how to remove the "too soon" from it while preserving the example's meaning.
- The whole Mundane Made Awesome sequence about Michael Jackson jokes. After making a joke about Michael Jackson, who had recently died, he explains why he just inverted the Too Soon trope by giving a grand speech, complete with epic music and the American flag in the background.
Could keeping the stock phrase but linking it to Speak Ill of the Dead work? As in:
[[SpeakIllOfTheDead he explains why he just inverted the Too Soon trope]]
Note: Edited a couple times, sorry. I think this version works better.
Edited by PointMaid on Jun 22nd 2020 at 10:15:36 AM
The problem is, there is no "Too Soon trope", and technically never has been as the example claims, so just potholing it to Never Speak Ill of the Dead would still be inaccurate.
My reasoning for keeping that part was that while it's not a valid trope page on the Wiki, it's definitely a thing in real life. You could rephrase without using the word 'trope' if you prefer, though.
Edited by PointMaid on Jun 22nd 2020 at 11:42:09 AM
Commenting this out from Narm.Live Action TV for being a ZCE.
- Law & Order:
- The episode "In Vino Veritas". It's a rare moment where something is funnier because it's Too Soon. Chevy Chase's impression of Mel Gibson is priceless.
Judging from some of the wicks I cleaned up, Too Soon was also used to get around Dude, Not Funny!'s In-Universe Examples Only restriction. And I agree we should create a new Trivia item for examples of a work being reshot, delayed, canceled, or pulled from airing because someone involved in it got caught in a scandal.
I think Distanced from Current Events isn't as snappy a title but covers what Too Soon was pretty well.
The second paragraph of the description still says "Much of the recent popularization of the phrase", referring to the old title, as well as using the problematic word "recent". Not sure the best way to reword it.
I just cut out the "recent popularization of the phrase" bit, the rest of the sentence is fine without it.
By the way, should "Funny Aneurysm" Moment be added to the disambig? Some of the examples I was cleaning up seem to fit that page better than the other two.
Edited by Adept on Jun 29th 2020 at 6:00:46 PM
I also saw some examples that fit "Funny Aneurysm" Moment (or Harsher in Hindsight), in that the events of the work have some similarity to recent events, but the work itself was not censored or delayed in response. So I agree with adding these to the disambig.
Another vote in favor of adding it here.
Not sure how to clean up this wick on The Chaser's War On Everything
- Sound-Effect Bleep: Used in the Eulogy Song; while they probably could have gotten away with actual swearing, the general opinion was Too Soon. Also, using the sound effect only serves to make the song funnier.
Remove the link and format as "Too soon".
I think "Funny Aneurysm" Moment would be fine to add, but I disagree with adding Harsher in Hindsight, since people usually say "too soon" in response to a joke. Harsher in Hindsight is for when things that are already serious get darker due to later events, but it's often misused to refer to things that were originally lighthearted (which is what "Funny Aneurysm" Moment means).
I added it to the disambig.
We are now down to 312 wicks. There is a subpage TooSoon.September Eleventh; should it be transplanted wholesale to DistancedFromCurrentEvents.September Eleventh?
Crown Description:How do we fix this page?
Currently in the process of changing the Too Soon entries that aren't Dude, Not Funny! on other trope pages into the new Distanced from Current Events title.