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mightymewtron Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Jun 25th 2020 at 7:16:50 PM

I mean it does list PB as a master trope to GCPTR and others like it. GCPTR shouldn't be the super trope to PB, it's vice versa. PB seems to be GCPTR, but subtle enough that it isn't as shocking as GCPTR examples. Though they can definitely overlap.

My idea to redefine GCPTR without changing its basic concept would be "content that would normally bump up the ratings or be cut altogether" rather than just straight up innuendo. Like say, "Despite Nickelodeon censoring episodes that say 'crap' or giving them a higher rating, Ren and Stimpy used the word in this episode without consequence." Not the WOG requirement like Unfortunate Implications has, but the entries have to contrast the moment with the usual standards of the network at the time. Moments of straight up adult jokes can probably be counted as Parental Bonus, or a redefined subtrope of the latter.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 25th 2020 at 10:18:47 AM

GeneralGigan817 The Chainsaw Robot Chicken from the Bad Future Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The Chainsaw Robot Chicken
Jun 25th 2020 at 8:38:00 PM

[up] The thing is that Tropers try to find Tropes for literally everything, I've seen several Ask The Tropers threads about “what Trope is this scene?”, it’s also why I’m not the biggest fan of the “X Is a Special Kind of Evil” Snowclone family, as people try to shoehorn every example of that act (the “X”) without regard to the In-Universe reaction.

[down] That too.

Edited by GeneralGigan817 on Jun 25th 2020 at 11:53:12 AM

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WarJay77 Just a Lynkser who likes Clay from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Just a Lynkser who likes Clay
Jun 25th 2020 at 8:39:53 PM

[up] Well, for the ATT thing specifically, those are just misplaced Trope Finder posts; which, I should add, is a legit part of the site and isn't intended to be used for people to shoehorn every scene of a work into a trope.

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SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 26th 2020 at 2:02:39 AM

Actually, Getting Crap Past the Radar does not require innuendo; it just requires that the content be something that would have bumped ratings but didn't because the censors didn't notice it. Whether the children get or don't get it is a different question - and what Parental Bonus is about.

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Jun 26th 2020 at 3:04:03 AM

I'm a little late to this discussion but I'll throw in my two pence. Keep in mind that Radar can't be limited to other tropes, such as Double Entendre, because often examples of Radar aren't limited to verbal dialogue only. Were it not for being slightly impractical I would suggest removing any unnecessary examples on the main page and perhaps other radar pages. Before locking them entirely.

Jun 26th 2020 at 5:21:02 AM

In fact, I've been wondering before why this trope simply doesn't get set as being a YMMV trope. I've even seen people post it there before by accident (for example with Wallace and Gromit) and considering the nature of this discussion, I don't see why it shouldn't fit.

GeneralGigan817 The Chainsaw Robot Chicken from the Bad Future Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The Chainsaw Robot Chicken
Jun 26th 2020 at 5:37:11 AM

[up] How on God’s green Earth is Getting Crap Past the Radar subjective? It’s about something both the creators and the show does, there’s nothing subjective about it.

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FernandoLemon Supporter of the BWW from Argentina
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Jun 26th 2020 at 8:33:34 AM

[up][up][up][up] Similarly, Parental Bonus doesn't have to be innuendo, it just has to be a joke that would fly over kids' heads, such as the one that's currently the page image.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Jun 26th 2020 at 12:33:48 PM

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mightymewtron Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Jun 26th 2020 at 10:41:38 AM

[up] The current page image does have some sexual connotations, to be fair- give what we associate with Freud and all.

Jun 27th 2020 at 5:50:57 AM

Exactly, tropes such as Parental Bonus and Double Entendre aren't always censorship oriented. Sometimes they are, but often they aren't. Double Entendres for example often also appear in media for mature enough audiences where a) nothing needs to be censored anyway and b) the audience is already supposed to get the dirty jokewaii. I feel like I'm being too obvious here, but the difference between the radar trope and the other tropes, while they often overlap, is still prevalent. Innapropriacy (if such a word exist) isn't always "too" inappropriate for the audience. Getting Crap Past the Radar IS.

Edited by ImoleTroper on Jun 27th 2020 at 11:52:39 AM

mightymewtron Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Jun 27th 2020 at 12:38:46 PM

So I think we can keep GCPTR but a) move the misused tropes to other pages and b) add a requirement that entries must note the "radar" in question (ie: note the show's rating, previous censorship by the network, etc). We can still have subpages and such, but we note on the top of the page what the standard was at the time.

For example, saying "crap" on Dexter's Laboratory was GCPTR because it was a TV-Y7 show airing in the 90's without any note about language. Saying "crap" on Regular Show isn't GCPTR because TV-PG allows such language and Cartoon Network had much looser language standards by the 2010s. Additionally, LGBT characters would only be GCPTR if the network had censored LGBT characters recently in the same show or in similar shows.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 27th 2020 at 3:40:20 PM

jandn2014 from Connecticut, United States
Jun 27th 2020 at 12:43:27 PM

[up] Thing is, the trope is already built off of that idea (just without having to note the radar in question). The problem is that determining whenever something is radar-dodging or not is difficult much of the time, and most tropers aren't going to bother putting into the research on content rating standards, especially due to how vague they can be.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jun 27th 2020 at 3:44:44 PM

BreadBull Glorious from The Ruins of Bthalft Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Glorious
Jun 27th 2020 at 12:53:08 PM

@General Gigan: Under its intended definition it doesn't, but a few pages ago I pointed out this trope also gets misused as an "I'm surprised they didn't cut that inappropiate joke" Audience Reaction. Though I will point we already have a trope that covers that - What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?

rjd1922 Crystal Gem from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Crystal Gem
Jun 27th 2020 at 4:27:58 PM

[up]What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? doesn't always fit in those cases, though. Animaniacs and The Amazing World of Gumball are still clearly kids' shows despite having a lot of dirty jokes.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jun 27th 2020 at 6:28:15 AM

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mightymewtron Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Jun 27th 2020 at 7:28:04 PM

[up] Both of those works are listed under What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?, though. WDYMIFK applies even if the show has a "childish" art style especially when there are shows that have a cutesy art style, but are not for kids.

Jun 28th 2020 at 4:33:12 AM

[up][up] As I said, often this trope overlaps with other appropriacy themed or demographic themed tropes. Which is fine, and normal, for tropes to do. In a way, What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? in the cases of Animaniacs or The Amazing World Of Gumball is literally a deconstruction of GC Pt R.

Edited by ImoleTroper on Jun 28th 2020 at 8:41:41 AM

Serac Chill Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Chill
Jun 29th 2020 at 5:24:04 PM

Bump. Should I go ahead and make a runoff crowner with these options?

  • Set stricter standards for the trope.
    Please note: If you vote for this option, please join the discussion and propose ideas for what you want the new standards to be.
  • Lock the page and only allow on-page examples, dewicking the page and cutting/redirecting subpages as necessary.
  • Turn into a super-trope for things like innuendos and adult jokes, and move the current definition to a new sub-trope with a new name.

Jun 29th 2020 at 5:46:00 PM

I think we should consider other options, like "Create a new super-trope and have Getting Crap Past the Radar and similar tropes be sub-tropes to it".

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WarJay77 Just a Lynkser who likes Clay from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Just a Lynkser who likes Clay
Jun 29th 2020 at 6:09:30 PM

I mean...here's the thing, right? If we create a supertrope it doesn't matter if GCPTR becomes the super-trope or not since the actual definition of GCPTR will still become a subtrope. The only question is whether or not to keep the title as the subtrope or the supertrope.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:09:18 PM

Is a less-drastic version of the second option a possibility? What if we immediately cut all the pages in the Radar namespace, but still allowed pruned/curated examples on individual works pages?

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WarJay77 Just a Lynkser who likes Clay from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Just a Lynkser who likes Clay
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:11:09 PM

That's an option. I don't personally think it'd be worth the headache, but we should put it on the crowner.

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Serac Chill Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Chill
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:17:50 PM

So something like "Cut/redirect all pages in the Radar/ namespace, but allow curated examples on work pages"? Would it involve locking the main trope page?

Edited by Serac on Jun 29th 2020 at 9:17:49 AM

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 30th 2020 at 2:43:50 AM

I have some objections towards a crowner option like "Set stricter standards for the trope." Open ended things like that lead to arguments and TRS stalling if they don't get resolved.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jun 30th 2020 at 5:23:17 AM

Don't forget "turn into disambiguation page" and also "launch new trope with original GCPTR definition of 'there is a radar and this item got past it.'"

We need to be specific, but also remember that the options (mostly) aren't mutually exclusive. I think that's what caused problems with the previous crowner; enough options were packaged together and some of them were too general, so people downvoted stuff they didn't have to.

Serac Chill Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Chill
Jun 30th 2020 at 6:49:19 AM

I don't really want to put the "stricter standards" option in, but it was the most popular option in the previous crowner.

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