Australia doesn't see a whole lot of police shootings, but it's seen at least 432 Aboriginal deaths in police custody since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody in 1991.
George Floyd's last words, "I can't breathe", were the same ones uttered by 26-year-old Dunghutti man David Dungay Jr. in 2015, when he was held down by several correction officers in his cell and succumbed to "positional asphyxia".
Edited by eagleoftheninth on Apr 21st 2021 at 6:04:44 AM
One day, we will read his name in the news and cheer.The UK actually has a higher percentage of its black population in prison compared to the US, and there was an incident recently where a Black British man died after being in South Wales police custody
with the force being very cagey over what happened to him.
Police brutality is also a problem in a whole lot of Latin-American countries, but the problem gets more sidelined due much higher actual crime rates. I think the US gets more attention because the police is very disproportionately violent in comparison to its relative crime rates.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I hope Legal Eagle will post his thoughts on the case soon. I'm most interested in Chauvin's chances of appealing.
Continue writing our story of peace.Not sure what he can appeal on.
The closest is jury nullification but that's nigh impossible to probe in this case
I'm not sure what you guys wanted the police to do instead. They got a call from someone claiming to be assaulted with a knife. When they arrived on the scene the girl was literally lunging at someone else with a knife in hand. What were they supposed to do besides downing the attacker? Apparently the girl was actually drawing the knife in self-defense, but how were the cops supposed to know that? It's not like you can stop to ask a stabber about their motives while they're literally stabbing their victim. This isn't some anime where time conveniently freezes everytime someone opens their mouth.
Like, what is your ideal suggestion for how the police should have behaved in this situation?
Edited by Druplesnubb on Apr 21st 2021 at 12:52:02 PM
Yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of the police but when we're talking about a knife-armed assailant attacking someone I don't think that it's unjustifiable to use lethal force.
If law enforcement have to choose been the attacker or the victim they should choose the victim.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangHere's the actual bodycam footage.
Among other things you can see the police shouting "Get down!" several times before firing, and giving her medical attention after she falls down. There's also no real time to defuse the situation, they arrived quite a bit away from her and she only comes into view when she's already charging someone.
Edited by Druplesnubb on Apr 21st 2021 at 1:27:31 PM
They could have shouted warnings or used less lethal force. If the girl was that close to the would-be victim that a taser could've caused her knife to injure the woman, then their gunfire could've hurt the person they were supposedly trying to protect.
They also could have not shouted "Blue Lives Matter" to the horrified neighbors afterwards.
Here's the actual bodycam footage. Among other things you can see the police shouting "Get down!" several times beofre firing, and giving her medical attention after she falls down.
Ok, I'm certain now. That was a legitimate shooting, she was far closer to her victim than the officer was to her. If he didn't shoot her then the girl on the car could've died or suffered a serious injury.
They could have shouted warnings or used less lethal force. If the girl was that close to the would-be victim that a taser could've caused her knife to injure the woman, then their gunfire could've hurt the person they were supposedly trying to protect.
Did you watch it? They did shout warnings.
This doesn't work logically, just because gunfire could've theoretically hurt the victim doesn't mean that it wasn't the best option. Tasers have a limited range and can cause spasming which is dangerous when the suspect had a knife, less than lethal options weren't practical.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Apr 21st 2021 at 4:19:30 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThey literally did shout warnings. Also, what sort of non-lethal force are you suggesting? Tasers are very ineffective at actually downing people
. Going into melee range is not only much slower (in a time where a single second can be the difference between life and death) but is also extremely dangerous against someone armed with a knife, especially conisdering how poor the training American cops get is.
The US also gets more attention between the incredible and very well-known dissonance between the application of law against white people versus against both local minorities and foreigners.
And that without going with the vindictive nature of the Anglo-saxon culture, especially American one.
This is incorrect, the knife-wielding girl was closer to the girl on the car than the cop. Trying to rush forward and tackle her would've given her enough time to stab the other girl.
Sometimes lethal force is justified, this is one of those times.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Apr 21st 2021 at 5:29:36 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang@Wildcard The word "dangerous" in this context means something closer to "borderline suicidal". Going hand-to-hand with a knife-wielding opponent is almost guaranteed to result in a life-threatening injury.
Leviticus 19:34Wouldn't something like that lead to possible everyone involved dying ?
Edit :
You don't charge and try stab an unarmed person. That is murder. Not self defence.
Edited by miraculous on Apr 21st 2021 at 5:46:45 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Here's a Euractiv article from last year pointing out that structural racism and Police Brutality are indeed issues in Europe.
Euractiv: Beyond the US: Police brutality, structural racism are a problem in Europe too
“It is absurd to consider that racism is an exclusively American scourge. It gangrenes all over the world and in Europe in particular,” French MEP and co-chair of the European Parliament Anti-Racism and Diversity Inter-Group Younous Omarjee (GUE/NGL) told EURACTIV.
The issue is that Europe just is not talking about it as much.
Omarjee argued that it was in the US but also in Europe where “the worst theories of the racial hierarchy were born, which in Europe served as a justification for slavery, the holocaust and colonisation.” The consequences of which are still present in our societies.
Karen Taylor is an anti-racism activist and the chairwoman of the European Network Against Racism (ENAR). She believes that a lack of official data is part of the problem. When information is not collected, the problem does not officially exist.
The lack of aggregated data related to police violence, racist crimes and fatalities “leads us to be able to pretend that there aren’t such problems, which grassroots organisations have been reporting on for years,” Taylor told EURACTIV.
The last report published by ENAR in 2019 looking at race-motivated crime and institutional racism suggested that such offences are on the rise in Europe but often go unreported.