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Jun 29th 2020 at 1:47:19 PM

I have been hearing that their is a sexual assault case that is being attributed to Norman City police doxxing Norman City Council member Alexandra Scott for standing with the BLM protestors. I cannot find any articles on it at the moment but if it is true then that's really fucked up.

Doxxing is no joke, it can be extremely dangerous to the victims as any crazy will take advantage.

Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France
Chaotic Greedy
Jun 29th 2020 at 2:11:05 PM

...Aren't petition signatures public in the first place?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Jun 29th 2020 at 2:33:51 PM

Names often are, but I don’t think home addresses are normally published. Remember some of those people are children, thee are a lot of people whose safety is now at risk because of the mayor’s actions.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Jun 29th 2020 at 2:37:41 PM

Petitions don't generally show addresses.

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Jun 29th 2020 at 4:23:23 PM

Zip Code only, and email is optional.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jun 29th 2020 at 4:33:46 PM

Isn't doxxing illegal?

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Jun 29th 2020 at 4:37:15 PM

Yes, unless the information is taken from public records.

Edited by DeMarquis on Jun 29th 2020 at 7:38:30 AM

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
eagleoftheninth Just stay away and you'll be safe from me. from a kingdom of self-isolation Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Just stay away and you'll be safe from me.
Jun 29th 2020 at 4:43:38 PM

It does sound like she was reading from a physical copy, so the petition might well have been a bunch of dead tree letters with the senders' addresses written on them.

Please check on your extroverts during this difficult time.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Jun 29th 2020 at 4:44:56 PM

Who's got arrest the mayor for if? The police that the people she doxed want to defund?

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
ScubaWolf from South Carolina
Jun 29th 2020 at 6:01:55 PM

[up] I think it's a federal crime, meaning FBI's territory.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada
Jun 29th 2020 at 6:23:43 PM

Speaking of the FBI, they're a law enforcement organization, do protesters want them reformed too?

NativeJovian from Orlando, FL
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:01:56 PM

The FBI does not normally interact with the general public on a day-to-day basis, so they aren't killing random people as a matter of course. Which isn't to say that the FBI doesn't have its share of bullshit to answer for over its history, but it's not really the immediate focus of the current protests.

Vos iustus a diversis genus delirus.
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:02:23 PM

The FBI has its problems, but these protests are about local policing.

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YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:06:02 PM

Heck, most of the crime the FBI deals with is white-collar bullshit like wire fraud.

Disgusted, but not surprised
eagleoftheninth Just stay away and you'll be safe from me. from a kingdom of self-isolation Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Jun 29th 2020 at 7:55:55 PM

As the article notes, four other people were shot there in the last ten days.

Edited by M84 on Jun 29th 2020 at 10:56:35 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
eagleoftheninth Just stay away and you'll be safe from me. from a kingdom of self-isolation Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
Jun 29th 2020 at 8:19:14 PM

[up][up]From the article, emphasis mine:

Officers said in a police blog that at about 3am on Monday, a white Jeep Cherokee SUV was reported near a Chop concrete barrier that surrounds the protest area. Several unidentified people then fired shots into the vehicle.

Edited by Robrecht on Jun 29th 2020 at 5:24:07 PM

Angry gets shit done.
M84 YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Jun 29th 2020 at 8:23:41 PM

[up][up]The NBC article had the police chief's response:

"Enough is enough here," Best said Monday. "Two men are dead and a child, a 14-year-old, is hospitalized, and we don’t know what is going to happen to that kid."

"Two African American men dead at a place where they claim to be working for Black Lives Matter. But they’re gone, they’re dead now and we’ve had multiple other incidents — assaults, rape, robbery, shootings — and so this is something that’s going to need to change," she said.

"We’re asking that people remove themselves from this area for the safety of the people, if they care about people, they’re going to have to try to help us to make it safe," Best added. "There are people who live here, there are multiple people being injured and hurt, and we need to do something about it. Is it absolutely irresponsible for this to continue."

She said it was taking officers three times the amount of time as usual to get to the area when responding to incidents.

"We want people to move out of the area," Best said. "Continue your peaceful protest in a space where you’re not affecting public safety."

The article also had her mention the problems with investigating the shooting:

"The typical things we search for in a case like this, or in a shooting like this, weren’t there, and it was abundantly clear to our detectives — people had been in and out of the car after the shooting," said Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best during a morning news briefing. "Detectives are trying to get information from other witnesses, but as has been the case in other crime scenes up in this area, people are not being cooperative with our requests for help."

"We’re not sure who shot at the car or why they shot at the car," Best said.

Edited by M84 on Jun 29th 2020 at 11:26:34 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
eagleoftheninth Just stay away and you'll be safe from me. from a kingdom of self-isolation Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Just stay away and you'll be safe from me.
Jun 29th 2020 at 8:25:20 PM

And an embedded tweet with video footage of the area.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Jun 29th 2020 at 8:28:20 AM

Please check on your extroverts during this difficult time.
Jun 29th 2020 at 8:54:34 PM

So, of the 6 CHOP-related shootings two appear to be retaliatory and the other 4 are unknown?

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YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Jun 29th 2020 at 8:56:49 PM

It's pretty unclear. For obvious reasons the police have been having trouble investigating them.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin The Part-Time Lurker from Hakurei Shrine Relationship Status: Mu
The Part-Time Lurker
Jun 29th 2020 at 9:54:51 PM

As it turns out, being so brutal in anti-protest measures that the protesters cordon off an area after you leave and declare it autonomous from police jurisdiction is not conductive towards people trusting you or wanting to cooperate with your investigations.

She/Her Pronouns
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:01:24 PM

Yeah, the appropriate response to this by police is not "if you want our help, you'd better suck it up and take our brutality too", it's "we're so sorry to have betrayed your trust and our duty to our community this badly".

M84 YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:16:11 PM

Begs the question of how many more shootings will take place there until the zone is disbanded. The city authorities really do not seem to want to be the ones to do it.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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