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With that out of the way: Let's discuss some ideas.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 27th 2022 at 1:49:11 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#8576: May 14th 2024 at 9:33:07 PM

I'm kinda not a fan of these super broad concept supertropes, but I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

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Filip04 Since: Nov, 2023
#8577: May 15th 2024 at 6:43:45 AM

animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#8578: May 15th 2024 at 6:58:09 AM

We have Black Jezebel Stereotype already, and that sounds like the cousin to Spicy Latina.

Filip04 Since: Nov, 2023
#8579: May 15th 2024 at 7:12:11 AM

[up] I didn't mean it in a sexual, erotic sense like the above mentioned trope, but in a sense that all Black women are naturally beautiful and the trope is about works that emphasize their beauty (think of Tiana from The Princess and the Frog).

Edited by Filip04 on May 15th 2024 at 4:12:28 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#8580: May 15th 2024 at 8:55:53 AM

Spicy Latina and Hot Gypsy Woman are more than "Hispanic and Romani women are hot". They have associated appearances, personalities etcetera in addition to the exoticism angle.

Without more meat to it, your idea, with all due respect, sounds like "a black woman is attractive", and that's not the type of idea that works well as a trope. Users will inevitably just use it to describe fictional characters they have a crush on.

Filip04 Since: Nov, 2023
#8581: May 15th 2024 at 9:01:24 AM

[up] It can also count as "Black women are hot". I just wanted to differentiate it from the Black Jezebel Stereotype trope.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#8582: May 15th 2024 at 9:10:14 AM

I think you're missing the point.

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Paperfly Buzz from On The Wall Since: Jun, 2022
Buzz
#8583: May 15th 2024 at 10:49:55 AM

Regarding this, It seems common enough to be worth documenting. In fact, I've noticed it happen with other shows such as Squid Game, Ted, and Your Honor, except instead of becoming anthologies, they continued the story.

I wonder if it could be applicable to films, or is it only for TV shows?

Edited by Paperfly on May 15th 2024 at 6:51:14 PM

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#8585: May 15th 2024 at 3:01:58 PM

On mobile and don't have a lot of time ATM, but wondering if it would be a good idea to create a trope for when parents kidnap their children? Or family kidnapping other family members? One situation would be disputed custody of a child, another could be family member kidnapping another to force them to go along with something or to keep them from doing something, etc.

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FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#8586: May 15th 2024 at 4:14:18 PM

[up] We already have Adoption Conflict, Custody Battle, and Taking the Kids. Are any of those close enough for you?

I don't just Wiki Talk the talk. I Wiki Walk the walk.
fullmusicbard from Virgil, Texas Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Married to the music
#8587: May 15th 2024 at 5:18:48 PM

I think there could be potential in a divorced spouse kidnapping their kid.

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#8588: May 15th 2024 at 6:10:30 PM

[up][up] Some of those are close, but there was one example I had of a father kidnapping his adult son to bond with him and improve their relationship.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#8590: May 15th 2024 at 10:30:18 PM

A bit late to the convo here, but Filip, you don't need to have a trope just to discuss your personal kinks. "Attractive black woman" is People Sit on Chairs as described, and Tiana isn't even emphasized as elegantly attractive any particularly moreso than other contemporary Disney princesses like Ariel or Jasmine or Elsa, or even Charlotte in the same film. I think I made a similar point when you were pushing for a Self-Fanservice entry for Tiana.

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TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
The clown of STEEL
#8591: May 15th 2024 at 11:47:22 PM

I would say something about Filip's suggestion for a trope, but I can't seem to find words that can properly describe my feelings about Filip without dumbing it down, and that are appropriate for the forums. Instead, we will all just move on, I guess.

I ''do have an idea for a (better) trope: misspelled/mispronounced cusd words (depending on the media), used for comedy and to avoid any possible censor.
A very good example, in real life, id giving names to videogame characters that looks like swear words, but corrupted. Like naming a Pokémon Hyuj-Asz.
My problem is that I can't think of uses in actual media.

Edited by TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit on May 16th 2024 at 9:30:26 PM

Oo oo ah ah
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#8592: May 16th 2024 at 12:13:31 AM

I think that's too rare to trope specifically, but might work as a form of Loophole Abuse or maybe Defying the Censors. I think the "phonetic spelling" thing is a trope but I don't know where it would be.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 16th 2024 at 3:14:11 PM

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FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#8593: May 16th 2024 at 12:18:32 AM

[up][up] That "Hyuj-Asz" example would fit Euphemistic Names.

I don't just Wiki Talk the talk. I Wiki Walk the walk.
Malady (X-Troper)
#8594: May 16th 2024 at 6:55:40 AM

My Big/Small Juxtaposition draft is having issues, because it's too broad. Would this subtrope be a good idea:

"Villain whose name implies size but is actually tiny"

A.k.a Mister Big (short villain) + Literally Expecting Someone Taller, since there's a few villains that do that.

Because not even a majority of all Expecting Someone Taller examples are literal, so there's possibly some splits there?

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#8595: May 16th 2024 at 7:50:14 AM

Sounds like the same but more specific to me, personally. Non-Indicative Name or Ironic Name cover that well.

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#8596: May 16th 2024 at 7:57:11 PM

I am surprised the "bartender goes away for something to happen to the customer" isn't a trope.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#8598: May 16th 2024 at 9:05:38 PM

Hmm it probably is.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#8599: May 18th 2024 at 4:24:21 AM

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Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Amateur Veteran
#8600: May 18th 2024 at 10:57:24 AM

I brought this up a while ago, but it never got a reply so I'm bringing it up again in a more developed form.

I've noticed that fantasy maps tends to use huge, mostly straight mountain ranges in addition to seas as a way of squaring off boundaries, and I was wondering if something could be done with that. I've got this draft as a starting point:

World's Edge Mountains

A fantasy map trope where a huge mountain range, usually running directly north to south, forms a hard boundary for the main setting of a story. On one side of this, usually the western one, is the primary setting that the story will concern itself with. The far side instead serves as a mysterious unknown, and may or may not ever be visited in the story. If it is, crossing the mountains will be a laborious and risky undertaking, and will be treated as a perilous forging into the unknown.
    Literature 
  • Second Apocalypse: The Great Kayarsus is an immense, essentially impassable mountain range that runs straight across the eastern edge of Eärwa, starting somewhere up beyond the Old North and running south past the southernmost extent of the Three Seas. It has only one known passage, the long-lost Gates of Eärwa in the far north, through which the tribes of men first entered the world.
  • The Silmarillion: The Ered Luin or Blue Mountains serve as this for much of the First Age, as they form a nearly straight north-south boundary to Beleriand, separating the lands where the stories take place from the distant and largely unknown east. Tribes of Elves, Dwarves, and Men periodically make their way across them and into Beleriand, but the reverse journey essentially never happens. In The Lord of the Rings, set long after Beleriand's sinking, the remaining portions of this montane wall are still present on the westernmost coast of the continent.
  • The Wheel of Time: The Westlands, the area of the world that the majority of the story is set in, are a roughly square area bounded off to the north and east by tall and very straight mountain ranges.
    • The Spine of the World, called the Dragonwall by the Aiel, forms the eastern boundary of the Westlands, acting as a clear north-south barriers between them and the Aiel Waste to the east.
    • The Mountains of Dhoom are an east-west variant, which connect to the Spine of the World at the northeast corner of the map and separate the lands of men from the Blight to the north.

    Tabletop Games 
  • Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The World's Edge Mountains are a vast mountain range that marks the eastern boundary of the Old World. Unlike most other locations in the setting, they have no clear parallel in real-life geography. Instead, they begin at the base of Norsca, cut south to and past the Badlands, and continue into the depths of the Southlands — the setting's version of Africa — before tapering off somewhere before its southern tip. They serve as a formidable barrier between the nations of the Old World and the exotic and dangerous lands that lie further East, such as the orc-roamed Dark Lands, the ogre tribal lands beyond them, and far Cathay beyond them still.


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