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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#276: Sep 9th 2020 at 8:42:08 AM

I pitched a "Welcome To TV Tropes" automated message once, but obviously for now all we have is Administrivia pages nobody reads.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
ImmiThrax 🏳️‍🌈🎃 from A Galaxy Far, Far Away Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#277: Sep 9th 2020 at 8:44:14 AM

For those who haven't seen— we have discussions about streamlining various Administrivia pages to less overwhelming and creating others to be informative of things we've seen as recurring problems. Outdated pages for those discussions as well as Where to put rules for roleplay and website pages (I forget ATM if these discussions have happened on others).

I'm compiling a list of ideas we've discussed on the thread that I don't yet see on the sandbox, but I will wait to share it because sharing that now feels like trying to evade my edit ban. So, FYI and TBA.

Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#278: Sep 9th 2020 at 8:44:23 AM

Well, now's the time to do it again.

[up] There's also the Common Troping Mistakes thread.

Edited by ccorb on Sep 9th 2020 at 11:49:22 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#279: Sep 9th 2020 at 4:11:07 PM

Added two ideas to the Sandbox.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
ImmiThrax 🏳️‍🌈🎃 from A Galaxy Far, Far Away Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#280: Sep 9th 2020 at 6:27:38 PM

Oversight discovered— people with TLP suspensions can still see a directly linked TLP draft history, and I can confirm that also applies to editing suspension. I don't know a forum suspension or any other area of the site suspension is inclusive of those.

Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
ImmiThrax 🏳️‍🌈🎃 from A Galaxy Far, Far Away Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#281: Sep 11th 2020 at 9:50:58 PM

My editing suspension is lifted, so I've added the other thread ideas to the sandbox. I sorted the admin ideas into rough categories because... I'm organizey like that tongue

We've had a lot of ideas, some we're more passionate about than others of course. Perhaps sometime soonish, we could run a crowner to determine our top 3 (or whatever number) requests or otherwise gauge what we consider priorities? We've collected way more ideas than is realistic.

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MadameButterflyKnife Semain Calm from the Holocene Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Semain Calm
#282: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:26:58 PM

A crowner for ideas does sound good! The user ones are more or less self enforced though; would those winning out just mean that they would be put as offical policy?

and the public won't dwell on my transmission cause it wasn't televised.
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#283: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:34:18 PM

[up]They'd probably need to go through the mods first, but crowner consensus could draw mod attention to them.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ImmiThrax 🏳️‍🌈🎃 from A Galaxy Far, Far Away Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#284: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:37:30 PM

[up][up] Oh, I meant crowner just for the admin ideas! User ones don't involve those paid work people.

[up] That makes sense— if there's one the mods nix, no sense in voting on it.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#285: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:23:06 PM

Added something about an edit lock.

Link for convenience: We're Improving the TLP

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#286: Sep 12th 2020 at 8:47:56 AM

The sandbox is looking good so far. The one thing that I'd immediately suggest is to lower the count of bombs needed to auto-kill a draft to, say, 50. I think that any draft that reaches that many bombs is so objectively bad that there's no chance of salvaging it, so 99 is just overkill.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#287: Sep 12th 2020 at 9:01:52 AM

I remember a draft a few years ago that got to around 70-70, but I don't recall the name. I'll try to find it, but this is part of why I dislike the idea of letting the community auto-nuke drafts, especially since a bomb is supposed to counteract a hat, not act as a vote against tropeworthiness.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#288: Sep 12th 2020 at 9:11:11 AM

The only draft of this sort I remember is Queerbaiting, and even it has only 39 bombs and 226 comments, under that limit. And I know that's what hats were originally meant to be, a simple remove hat button, but tying it more into nuke functionality made it more obviously a vote against being a trope page (I personally didn't see a problem with it). Still, even 99 wouldn't have been that 70 you mention, so while I agree that 50 may also be a good limit, I'll mention it with a slash just in case.

Edited by Piterpicher on Sep 12th 2020 at 6:17:02 PM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#289: Sep 12th 2020 at 9:17:48 AM

No, I didn't comment on that draft, so I don't think that is the same one. Also, I'm assuming that we will have more tropers, which means that highly-contested drafts will have more total votes. Some ratio, like the proposal for the launch button, would be better. 20 or 50 more bombs than hats, rather than 50 bombs, irrelevant of hats.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#290: Sep 12th 2020 at 9:19:54 AM

Great idea with that ratio. Yeah, some drafts are contested, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're instantly nukeworthy (that Queerbaiting thing was a legit attempt).

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#291: Sep 12th 2020 at 9:50:24 AM

Yeah, it should be a ratio.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#294: Sep 12th 2020 at 10:09:56 AM

[up]

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MadameButterflyKnife Semain Calm from the Holocene Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Semain Calm
#296: Sep 12th 2020 at 11:59:41 AM

[tup]

and the public won't dwell on my transmission cause it wasn't televised.
Van-San Since: Aug, 2020
#297: Sep 12th 2020 at 12:02:52 PM

[tup]

Troping across the universe...
Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
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#298: Sep 13th 2020 at 3:53:04 AM

I went ahead and added my proposals from the thread to the sandbox (I thought they would be added when the sandbox was created, but whatever)

My troper wall
DivineFlame100 Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#299: Sep 13th 2020 at 4:33:27 AM

Loving the sandbox page so far. I'm glad my method of helping sponsors by not insta-bombing is included as well.

Here's a suggestion from my teaching demonstrations:


  • If inexperienced sponsors are struggling to format their drafts properly, teach them the steps of how to do it. This can range from showing them proper tags to use to showing example drafts to demonstrate with. Do not be snarky about it either. Be sincere in your intent to teach.

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!

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