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XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A
There is no Planet B
May 6th 2020 at 4:48:37 AM

Adorkable is suffering from a bad case of Trope Decay. It's been brought up several times recently in Trope Talk, ATT and elsewhere in the forum discussions.

Currently, it has 11 162 wicks. 100 random examples from various media and subpages have been checked (actually I checked more, but some were too murky to assess, and even so, the "murky" folder has several entries).

For detailed wickcheck, see Sandbox.Adorkable Wick Check.

Wick check results:

  • Zero-context, zce potholes and sinkholes: 69 %
  • Misuse: 12 %
  • Correct: 11 % (correct or most likely correct, but still could use more context)
  • Murky: 8 % (overlap with other tropes, half-context that could be okay, but hard to say if the context is relevant enough, not clear misuse, but misuse is not unlikely)

Sandbox.Tropes Needing TRS has a good summary of the issue:

Examples are often based on a troper's perception of the character and slide into gushing. It also has a huge ZCE problem and even ones with some sort of context are often just something along the lines of "Bob is really dorky and cute". It's such a misused trope the actual meaning is obscured or outright lost, and it needs major work.

Berrenta Just walking along from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Just walking along
May 15th 2020 at 10:04:19 PM

Opened.

Would it be better off as a YMMV trope?

WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
May 15th 2020 at 10:05:50 PM

On one hand, I think a lot of works do give these characters traits like these to make them more endearing to the audience.

...However, how endearing the characters actually end up being is entirely subjective.

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MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
May 15th 2020 at 10:18:47 PM

I think if we are keeping it as an objective trope, the easiest way is to limit it to a character being seen as cute because of their dorkiness in-universe but most of the examples would have to go then

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jandn2014 Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot from Connecticut, United States Relationship Status: Hiding
Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot
May 15th 2020 at 10:19:51 PM

Here are two possible options we could go with:

1. Make it a requirement that the characterís adorkableness is acknowledged by other characters and/or draws other characters to them In-Universe

2. Make the trope YMMV

WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
May 15th 2020 at 10:19:53 PM

[up] Or, we could have it both ways and split it. One trope could be for when fans find a character particularly cute for having "dorky" traits, and the other is an in-universe "dorks are cute" trope.

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jandn2014 Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot from Connecticut, United States Relationship Status: Hiding
Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot
May 15th 2020 at 10:22:35 PM

[up] I was thinking so as well.

Edited by jandn2014 on May 15th 2020 at 1:22:38 PM

MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
May 15th 2020 at 10:23:37 PM

I guess we could move a few of the examples about cuteness from Nerds Are Sexy to this "dorks are cute" trope if we decide split it from Adorkable

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
May 15th 2020 at 10:31:14 PM

I guess it'd be like the difference between The Cutie and Moe.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 15th 2020 at 1:32:34 PM

May 15th 2020 at 10:37:47 PM

I saw a couple of cases where it was used to describe someone's appearance. Didn't think they were valid, so I commented them out.

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GastonRabbit Frequent Serial Tweaker from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Frequent Serial Tweaker
May 15th 2020 at 11:49:04 PM

[up][up]I was actually thinking of how Moe is YMMV when discussion of Adorkable being used subjectively came up.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2020 at 3:22:52 AM

I may be less active for a while, so my posting and possibly also editing may be less frequent than usual.
WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
May 15th 2020 at 11:51:24 PM

Yeah, Moe and The Cutie are perfect tropes to reference here. One relies on audience perception and enjoyment of a character, the other relies on how the character is portrayed in the work itself. The same could happen with an Adorkable split.

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GastonRabbit Frequent Serial Tweaker from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Frequent Serial Tweaker
May 16th 2020 at 1:24:06 AM

Since I posted my previous post shortly after waking up, I had a brain fart and accidentally typed "I was actually of" instead of "I was actually thinking of" in my previous post. I fixed it to clarify what I meant to say.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2020 at 3:27:04 AM

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
May 16th 2020 at 7:26:15 AM

I guess a split would be sufficient. I remember seeing Freddie Benson from iCarly listed as Adorkable years ago and thought "this is YMMV on the main page". So... [awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome][awesome]

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May 16th 2020 at 4:18:19 PM

I agree to splitting Adorkable into a YMMV page and an objective trope about how a character is perceived In-Universe.

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Happy Halloween!
May 16th 2020 at 4:48:45 PM

[up]

Harry Potter is not an interest of mine, but this was too adorable to pass up
Synchronicity Take it sleazy Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
Take it sleazy
May 16th 2020 at 5:06:04 PM

Proposed split is a great idea.

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
May 16th 2020 at 5:28:04 PM

Also behind the split.

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A
There is no Planet B
May 16th 2020 at 6:07:52 PM

Yay, the thread's been opened. [awesome]


It would never occur to me, but splitting it is actually a decent idea. More than that. The comparison to Moe and The Cutie is great. BTW, some examples from the wick check are probably just Moes or Cuties. "Adorkable" is often potholed when from the context, it's clearly just "adorable".

I'm just not sure how I like the idea of all the gushing just moved to YMMV tab. It'll be less bothersome, but still... Audience Reaction also have some standards.

AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
May 16th 2020 at 7:59:10 PM

Gushing that's too personal can either be neutered down to "audiences find this character adorable because of their dorky traits" or cut if it's too much personal squeeing.

MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
May 16th 2020 at 9:12:54 PM

Skimming through Adorkable's subpages there really aren't that many examples of characters being considered cute because of their dorkiness in-universe and I have never seen Adorkabe used that way in wicks. But I assume we can find more examples if we ran Dorks Are Cute through TLP.

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WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
May 16th 2020 at 9:14:00 PM

[up] TBF, it might be based on how the wicks are written. We might need to try and find outside context at some points to determine if a character fits the Audience Reaction version, or the In-Universe version.

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
May 16th 2020 at 11:06:02 PM

I guess we can count non-explicit cues too? Although we should try to narrow down how those would look, because there are cases where you can tell it was done to get an Intended Audience Reaction, but the criteria may not be easy to delineate.

MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
May 17th 2020 at 2:20:20 AM

All the examples I could find on the subpages that mention "in-universe". Would these count?

    In-Universe examples 
Anime and Manga
  • Yandere Kanojo: Wannabe-ace student Shiratori is considered adorkable in-universe. He thinks he's popular with girls because he's so cool. He's a Bishōnen who's great at athletics and academics, so he should be a natural Chick Magnet. In reality, it's because he gets really shy and flustered when girls flirt with him, which they find irresistible.
  • Uchi no Musuko wa Tabun Gay: Hiroki is a young, easily excited and sweet boy that gets easily flustered and is very obviously in love with one of his classmates. It's shown that a number of people In-Universe think he is cute too, including his mom, his brother, his brother's friends, and even his crush.

Live Action TV

  • Supergirl: Kara is acknowledged to be adorkable in universe by Cat Grant. She giggles and adjusts her glasses every time she gets nervous, and gets excited about things as simple as takeout and TV with her sister.
    • When Nia Nal is first introduced, she's acknowledged in-universe as being very much like Kara, Motor Mouth, klutzy nature, and all. Later, she turns out to be a Pop-Cultured Badass as well, and makes puns about her powers with a totally straight face.

Western Animation

  • DuckTales (1987): Launchpad McQuack is somewhat awkward and accident-prone, and also boundlessly enthusiastic and good-natured. He's a favorite with a lot of people, in and out of universe.
  • Ed, Edd n Eddy:
    • Edd. Everything about him is adorkable. He's cute, geeky, neurotic, endearingly shy, kind, polite, and quite a Shrinking Violet, especially around girls. And that's why all the girls (In-Universe and out) find him adorable.
  • The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius:
    • Jimmy is the franchise's adorable boy genius. This was especially evident in the shorts, movie and season one where he was a lot more shy, clumsy, awkward and naive. This is why he gets a lot of attention from girls both in-universe and in fandom.

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Synchronicity Take it sleazy Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
Take it sleazy
May 17th 2020 at 7:04:52 AM

I think so, although they need to be rewritten to remove fandom references.

What about New Girl, where Zooey Deschanel's character was actually called adorkable in the marketing?

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