Ambiguous Disorder/Diagnosed by the Audience Cleanup

Should the old OP be preserved in a folder in the current OP?

This was just added to Diagnosed by the Audience:

• In the Naruto fanfiction Jokes On You, the whole thing is kicked off when Naruto decides to become, of all people, The Joker, with the rest of Konoha driven insane by just trying to handle him, with the narration even pointing out that the lack of ninja psychiatrists in general use is both a big oversight and the root cause of all the trouble.

yeah, wouldn't fit either. maybe the second point could go as a lampshaded There Are No Therapists example?

is there a trope for "a character is confirmed or suspected to have a disorder within the work but nothing specific is said" or is that pending trope idea salvage yard?

Edited by NoUsername on Aug 22nd 2022 at 2:30:42 AM

Alright; moved the example there and cited this thread.

Does Adam Groff from Sex Education Qualify? I’ve read some different things based on his behavior as undiagnosed neurodivergent but I can’t quite put it in to words

If you've read things that interpret him as ND then probably, but you do kind of need to put it into words to make it an entry.

I was wondering if anyone else picked up on that

Oh I thought you meant you read posts from other fans about it.

YMMV.The Complex 2012

• Ambiguous Disorder: Sam has some kind of developmental disorder, but it's never explained what it is. Q refers to him as "retarded".

This seems misuse/unfit to move to Diagnosed as if fails to acknowledge the audience reaction part (Q is an in work character). Cut?

ATT said to take here for feedback.

Pending Yard idea. I cited a handful of examples of "the characters say something is really off about that dude but the work never clarifies what it is" in the cleanup thread and would fall under such a draft, but not Diagnosed by the Audience.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:23:25 PM

yeah, i was gonna bring up osaka from azumanga daioh (her friends at one point suggest she might have some kind of mental disorder, and osaka doesn't take issue with the idea so much as being talked down to about it) which was previously on ambiguous disorder

Can they overlap? I've been kind of back and forth about whether Fry counts, for one — he kind of is coded with a mental condition that prevents him from mind control but also is very easy to read with ADHD/autism, but a couple of jokes do have characters refer to him with a "learning disability" / "brain thing," and then one instance of him claiming he has ADD that's kind of a one-off joke in a semi-canon episode. So I have no idea if it's canon, canon and vague, metaphorical, fanon, or a mix of all of the above.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 23rd 2022 at 7:40:12 AM

With the trope being redefined, should this comment at the top of Diagnosed by the Audience be removed?

Yeah, because without symptoms, the trope is zero context. (Also wow, Unfortunate Implications in that wording, especially knowing it was once about autism.)

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 23rd 2022 at 12:41:29 PM

I found this example on an Ace Attorney character page in relation to the culprit of the final case in the second game. I brought it here because I'm not sure what to do with it.

I'm torn. On one hand, it is weird that he'd refer to himself in the third person. On the other hand, the anime just has him as a standard Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, but the anime has some differences from the games in general. It's a bit like the Fry example where I'm not sure how much is intentional and how much is fanon.

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Aug 24th 2022 at 9:38:27 PM

That hit the spot, thank you very much.

This was added to Diagnosed by the Audience as a sub-bullet for Amphibia:

• Simiarly, Marcy Wu has shown many signs of being on the autism spectrum through her obsession with anime, video games and RPGs, clumsiness, high intelligence yet short attention span, and admitting she has trouble with eye contact. A month after the show concluded, Word of God confirmed that Marcy is indeed autistic, yet he initially didn't write her that way.

I think it might count if viewers saw her as autistic before the creator confirmed it.

See, I'm not too sure about that, because the description for Diagnosed by the Audience includes the sentence "When the creators say whether a character has a disorder or not outside of the work, making it no longer ambiguous in most cases, see Diagnosis of God," without stating if cases like Marcy can be considered exceptions or not. Should I take it to the "Is This an Example?" thread on Trope Talk or would it be better to wait for further input from users on this thread?

Edited by bowserbros on Aug 26th 2022 at 12:01:59 PM

This sounds like a case of Ascended Fanon to me.

Hmm, yeah that would make the most sense; would it be best to move it there?

Still waiting on a definitive word about what to do with the Marcy Wu example (specifically whether or not to move it to Ascended Fanon), but in the meantime I've noticed that a lot of examples listed on Diagnosed by the Audience are relics of when it was still called Ambiguous Disorder, and I don't know enough about them to say for sure if these line up with popular headcanons regarding the works in question (since they tend to range from nonspecifically listing symptoms to making what sound like unilateral armchair diagnoses without specifying if these are common interpretations). Would it be best to comment out the examples in question until they can be adjusted by people familiar enough with the works and their fans, or would it be better to remove them outright?

Edited by bowserbros on Aug 31st 2022 at 3:54:37 AM

Leave them for now and only bring them up if you have enough familiarity to suspect that it's shoehorning or misuse.

Alright; duly noted.