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VioletParrfan1989 Since: Mar, 2018
#451: Nov 30th 2022 at 8:13:41 AM

Personally never understood why the sections for Android 18 vs Captain Marvel and Shazam vs Captain Marvel were removed?

Both were massive stomps back then (as Carol was horribly outmatched and once they revealed that the info on 18's speed feats and the fact she can absorb energy were errors, it was even more of a stomp, especially if we take the fact that Carol has no way of wearing 18 down (as she can't tire out at all) because of her Infinite energy). Especially the 2nd fight seeing as Carol was going up against Wizard Superman who's actually stronger than Superman himself.

Edited by VioletParrfan1989 on Nov 30th 2022 at 8:16:36 AM

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#452: Nov 30th 2022 at 1:44:04 PM

I was confused for shazam vs marvel too. Android 18 vs marvel was actually deem controversial.

Edited by AlicornGaia on Nov 30th 2022 at 5:52:51 PM

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DukeNukem4ever Since: Jan, 2017
#453: Nov 30th 2022 at 2:52:14 PM

I think both fights should be re-evaluated, considering that the power gap was indeed very wide.

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#454: Nov 30th 2022 at 3:33:41 PM

It's weird because they say "this pushed both of them to their limits" and then go on to explain that Shazam is way faster and way more powerful. I could see it going either way I guess, the main reason it was removed was because of the "limits" line methinks.

There's really no excuse for not having Android 18 on the list though, that definitely deserves an entry.

Also wtf is this line

  • "I mean the last time we saw Binary in the comics, she was taken down by some alien guns. Guess she's not as good as absorbing energy as she thought."

I just find that amusing lol

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#455: Nov 30th 2022 at 3:47:34 PM

Pretty sure that line "pushed them both to their limits" was wiz saying it was a close fight. Yeah. It definitely was

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#456: Nov 30th 2022 at 3:56:40 PM

[up][up][up] see the first post in this thread.

"A crowner has decided that a Curb-Stomp Battle can be found in either the animation or the analysis, but the analysis must actually be described as a curb-stomp. If the hosts call it close, it's not considered a curb-stomp even if there's a large difference between the combatants' feats."

Edited by captainpat on Nov 30th 2022 at 3:57:27 AM

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#457: Nov 30th 2022 at 6:22:39 PM

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Dec 1st 2022 at 10:50:33 AM

Tehrannotaur Since: Mar, 2013
#458: Dec 1st 2022 at 1:56:09 PM

[up][up] I seriously doubt that. I look at Idiosyncratic's death battle google doc (which does a much better job at examining the death battles), primarily the Carnage vs Lucy analysis as a prime example of why claiming a battle was, say, close or challenging or pushed the fighters to their limit does not disqualify from a stomp when they go on to list the feats that showed how wide of a power gap they had and how much of an advantage the winner had. Using Carnage vs Lucy

> While the hosts claim Carnage was challenging enough for Lucy to have a difficult time dealing with him, I believe I can explain why this statement doesn't disqualify this match. First, merely saying something is challenging doesn't mean it's hard, as stuff like the ice bucket challenge is challenging because they're unpleasant despite being easy. As for their statement that Lucy had a hard time dealing damage to Carnage, they explicitly contradict this claim later when they say Lucy easily had enough power to obliterate Carnage with heat energy, making this statement far more likely to refer to Lucy's casual attacks and not her full power. With that out of the way, Lucy's stats are more than enough to qualify, being 250 times faster with 1200 times the reach and powerful enough to overwhelm Carnage's superior healing factor 100 times over.

In Captain Marvel vs Shazam, it's the exact same thing happening, claiming that the fight was something like challenging or (as they say it) pushing the combatants to the limits, only to immediately contradict that by showing the massive differences in the fundamentals (speed, strength, and durability) and saying that Captain Marvel can only absorb so much energy before her body breaks down, meanwhile Shazam having way more than enough power to just overload her energy absorption. Also (as they point out), the Wisdom of Solomon could potentially have allowed Shazam to discern Carol's energy absorption and kept him focused on physical attacks over energy ones she could feed on, and since Shazam can punch a black hole into existence (the equivalent of 97 supernovas, far, far greater than Captain Marvel blowing up a planet) and is far, far faster than her, he can just speedblitz her in an instant and done.

In the end, it's a stomp, even worse than Android 18 vs Captain Marvel. Let me put it this way: Shazam is on par with Superman, who curb-stomped Goku twice (and brutally so); Goku is canonically stronger than Android 18, who curb-stomped Captain Marvel.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Dec 1st 2022 at 2:00:55 AM

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#459: Dec 1st 2022 at 5:17:54 PM

[up] Doubt what? That's what was decided on as far clean up. We're supposed to keep the page consistent with how the hosts call the matchups. Not speak for them or "correct" them if we disagree with their logic. If they think that a match is close or a challenge for the winner despite mentioning massive power gaps then that's just what we go with.

ultimate_life_form this girl is in misery Since: Aug, 2019
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#460: Dec 1st 2022 at 5:21:03 PM

I feel the issue with this one in particular, as someone who just watched it, is that they literally just say "It's a challenge" and then say "Carol stood no chance because Marvel is billions of times stronger and faster then her and her energy absorption was essentially not going to be able to help and his wisdom of solomon could form a counter plan at any time."

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#461: Dec 1st 2022 at 5:28:16 PM

Boomstick in Korra vs. Storm: "This fight wasn't totally straightforward." then he and wiz explain why korra was basically fucked against storm so badly.

So basically we need to see if in the post-analysis do they not change their opinion of it being a close match.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#462: Dec 1st 2022 at 5:36:13 PM

[up] Which they did with Captain Marvel VS Shazam. Their analysis started when them saying

Wiz: This battle certainly pushed both Marvel and Shazam to their limits, but while Carol's experiences with the Phoenix Force and Alephs proves she can hold up to Shazam's Strength of Atlas, she, unfortunately, fell a bit short in most other categories.

and then ended it stating

Wiz: Carol was certainly no pushover, but Shazam had the speed, strength, and versatility to take this battle in the long run.

The problem is that people keep using the character feats to come up their own conclusions instead of actually listening to how the hosts called the fight.

Edited by captainpat on Dec 1st 2022 at 5:40:29 AM

Tehrannotaur Since: Mar, 2013
#463: Dec 1st 2022 at 8:09:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]that the match was not a stomp. It very much was a stomp.

[up]they're honestly downplaying how much of a stomp the matchup was, considering how stompy the Goku vs Superman episodes and Captain Marvel vs Android 18 were (hence the curb-stomp food chain, with Shazam and Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku >>>>> Android 18 >>>>>>> Captain Marvel).

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Dec 1st 2022 at 8:14:17 AM

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#464: Dec 1st 2022 at 9:16:48 PM

[up] Again we are going strictly with how the host call the fight. We are not "correcting" them or speaking for them. There's nothing in the episode that indicates that they're downplaying a stomp other than you think it should be a stomp based off of the results of other episodes.

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#465: Dec 1st 2022 at 10:58:36 PM

Captainpat is correct here, we don't call it a stomp unless the show calls it a stomp. You can complain and make memes about them calling the matchup close, but it doesn't change that they say multiple times in the analysis that Carol is strong enough to keep up and never say that Shazam would annihilate her with no effort.

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#466: Dec 3rd 2022 at 4:34:21 PM

Looks like Deku vs Asta is specifically not a stomp

  • Both Deku and Asta were fairly evenly matched melee fighters without any specific abilities to give one an easy edge over the other.

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#467: Dec 3rd 2022 at 4:35:40 PM

Indeed, despite how people may talk about the matchup, the show itself doesn't make it sound one-sided enough to count for the page.

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#468: Dec 21st 2022 at 4:58:23 PM

Everyone already agreed that gogeta vs vegito is not a curb-stomp?

Also, can we put this in memes? Goku is a bad luck charm. Reason? Every battle he is in he has lost. Even in Gogeta vs Vegito when he finally wins (technically), it was against himself so he also loses.

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Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#469: Dec 21st 2022 at 5:24:31 PM

Do people actually meme about that?

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#470: Dec 21st 2022 at 7:18:06 PM

It's why I asked here first.

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#471: Dec 24th 2022 at 12:36:54 PM

Go nuts probably

Also yeah Vegito might be the closest match we've had yet no way does it qualify

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#472: Dec 26th 2022 at 6:28:17 PM

Anyone else feel like this example from NightmareFuel.Death Battle is a huge exaggeration (I also asked in the Nightmare Fuel thread)?

  • Vegito vs. Gogeta:
    • The Stardust breaker is a vicious attack, seeking out any trace of evil in its target and disintegrating it utterly. After the battle, we see the aftermath of the attack: Vegito is dripping blood, has wounds all over his body, and barely has energy left to give his counterpart a final sendoff. Because Gogeta's final Dragon Fist never connected, every wound here must come from the preceding Stardust Breaker - and this is what it does to a fusion of two good guys, one of which has proven to be Incorruptible Pure Pureness incarnate.. and yet that's not enough as far as the Stardust Breaker is concerned; every bit of evil in Vegito was just forcefully purged, and it's a good thing that Vegito has been shown to not be affected by missing otherwise vital parts of his body, because his insides are putting swiss cheese to shame in the hole department after the final bout.

Vegito is bleeding a little, and covered in bruises and scratches, but that's very tame compared to some other episodes. This makes it sound like he's been horribly mutilated and dismembered. I have no idea where "his insides are putting swiss cheese to shame in the hole department" is coming from, I'm not seeing anything like that in the episode's ending.

AlicornGaia The Darkest Knight from In your worst nightmares Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#473: Dec 26th 2022 at 7:40:38 PM

Yeah. It’s nothing really compared to homelander. Yeet it.

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#474: Dec 26th 2022 at 9:07:37 PM

I removed it due to the blatant inaccuracies compared with how mild it is.

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#475: Jan 17th 2023 at 9:25:08 AM

Hi, a bump: Laconics are now banned for Recap pages, and a glance at Liminal Laconics List shows Death Battle has a significant number of laconics for its episodes. Help loading these into the Cut List with a link back to the thread would be appreciated. Thanks!


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