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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1576: Mar 7th 2024 at 2:57:23 PM

Isn't there a whole threat in the Brian Herbert books that there's another machine empire out in the universe somewhere that was driving the Honored Matres into attacking the rest of humanity?

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#1577: Mar 7th 2024 at 3:01:33 PM

Isn't there a point when Chani's next to Paul after he takes power in a flash forward in Part One? Is that a possible future that didn't happen or something that hasn't happened yet?

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#1578: Mar 7th 2024 at 4:36:48 PM

[up][up]Ya it's actually the remnants of the previous machine empire from the Butlerian Jihad. Hopefully they don't get the bright idea to adapt Brian Herbert's work.

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#1579: Mar 7th 2024 at 4:41:59 PM

if they adapt Brian Herbert's 'sequels' they're complete idiots,but its unlikely they'll do that however.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#1580: Mar 7th 2024 at 4:43:26 PM

The man is still writing Dune books.

I think since the last movie he's written over 9 new Dune prequels.

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#1581: Mar 7th 2024 at 4:45:25 PM

yes well we try to quietly ignore him pump out bad fiction

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#1582: Mar 7th 2024 at 4:53:20 PM

Did the plot threads from Heretics and Chapterhouse get resolved? If they were I'd kind like to know what those two books were building towards.

Also, our page on Dune says "in the year 10,191 AG, or "After Guild" (21,267 AD by our calendar)", so it's set even further in the future than it appears at first glance.

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#1583: Mar 7th 2024 at 5:04:31 PM

[up]x6 Paul and Chani will eventually get back together especially since she'll be the mother to Leto II and Ganima. Paul and Irulan's relationship remained professional in the books but Irulan does come to love Paul enough that when Chani died in childbirth and Paul exiled himself to the desert after their birth, she takes care of the twins like they were her own children while adult Alia rules the empire while secretly being driven mad by the ghost of her grandfather.

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Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#1584: Mar 8th 2024 at 1:38:05 AM

“The man is still writing Dune books.”

You could say that Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson are the main authors of the Dune series, with 17 books to Frank’s 6.

Could, but shouldn’t.

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#1585: Mar 8th 2024 at 1:49:28 PM

What makes Brian's take on his father's work so bad?

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1586: Mar 8th 2024 at 1:50:24 PM

Thats more of a question for the literature thread. Remember this thread is about the Villeneuve movies and should stay focused on them.

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#1587: Mar 8th 2024 at 1:58:08 PM

To add onto what K Rider said, Irulan loves Paul and this causes a rift between her and Chani. Irulan poisons Chani with a contraceptive and when Chani finds out, they have a friendly chrysknife to throat chat.

Edited by Wabbawabbajack on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:03:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#1588: Mar 8th 2024 at 1:58:31 PM

Pretty sure you should spoil that

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#1589: Mar 8th 2024 at 2:04:02 PM

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#1590: Mar 8th 2024 at 3:42:48 PM

Hollywood Reporter put in an argument that the challange of Dune Messiah being adapted is that the book is less actiony and more a think piece.

I imagine Villeneuve is gonna put in some more artistic license.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dune-3-messiah-problem-book-1235845611/

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#1591: Mar 8th 2024 at 3:50:03 PM

Having not read the books this may be incorrect, but considering that Dune Messiah is less than a third of the length of Dune, they probably are planning to add quite a bit of content to make its runtime match the other two movies. Dune and Dune Part 2 were each adapting half of the 896 page book, while Dune Messiah is only 256 pages.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 8th 2024 at 4:50:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#1592: Mar 8th 2024 at 3:52:47 PM

They do need to do get Chani back together with Paul to set-up their kids.

That can be an arc for Messiah.

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1593: Mar 8th 2024 at 4:01:02 PM

It's not like either movie is especially action packed, the second one may have less action than the first due to focusing more on Paul being comfortable in the desert instead of at its' mercy. A number of people commented that the Big Badass Battle Sequence basically shows just enough so we understand what happens and then cuts to Paul's personal resolution.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1594: Mar 8th 2024 at 5:26:50 PM

I think the second movie definitely has more action, i havent crunched the actual numbers for minutes or anything but there are absolutley more action scenes.

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#1595: Mar 8th 2024 at 5:30:38 PM

The Act 1 sequence showing Paul and Chani leading Fremen troops against Harkonnen spice harvesters is not in the book directly. Rather, the Fremen raids are referenced by multiple characters. Neither are the Harkonnen reprisal attacks directly recounted. The book skips over about four years with little fanfare.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 8th 2024 at 8:31:18 AM

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1596: Mar 8th 2024 at 5:58:56 PM

I'm thinking more that in the first movie the slaughter of House Atreides was a prolonged like 45 minute sequence that includes bombings of the ships, close quarters combat, armies fighting on the airstrip and escaping through the tunnels or in the ornithopters. The second movie instead paints most of the action in isolated 2 minute scenes or montages of other attacks, like the opening scene making it 80 percent tension and only 20 percent actual fighting.

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#1597: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:03:16 AM

I mean, I'd argue that the actual battle sequences in Dune part 2 are mostly boring, because almost all of them are just us watching the Fremen win easily. Like, look at the last "battle". It's literally just the Fremen showing up and effortlessly cleaning house. If all of your battles are going to be that one sided then most of the time I'd rather it be glossed over honestly. It's not until Feyd vs Paul that I actually perked up a bit.

I'm not saying it SHOULD have been a back and forth struggle or anything, but like, focus on the interesting stuff instead.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 9th 2024 at 1:05:15 PM

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jawal Since: Sep, 2018
#1598: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:17:47 AM

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Ironically, this part is true to the first book.

The Freemen do win easily in every battle they enter; even the famed Sardaukar are no match for them, and provoke only a "this ones are slightly less squishy than normal soldiers" reaction from the Freemen.

Edited by jawal on Mar 9th 2024 at 2:20:12 PM

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#1599: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:27:24 AM

[up] Which is why I don't think the battles should be changed as such, because it's clearly like a thematic point. I just think it makes them very uninteresting to watch, so the focus shouldn't be on them.

So the prospect of a more think-piecey Dune Messiah movie sounds very appealing to me.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 9th 2024 at 1:28:29 PM

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#1600: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:34:17 AM

For Dune messiah. Feel well get more expansion on the Jihad as in a few battles. For action pieces

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