Misused: Where Da White Women At

Finally took the time to read this thread — I'm in favor of a split. Splitting will necessitate example cleaning either way, so no need for that third crowner.

How are these for options? It does not have any 'rename' options, but names will be discussed if the trope is split anyway.

• Keep Where da White Women At? as is
• Split Where da White Women At? into "black men have a fetish for white women" and "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized". These will exit as subtropes of Race Fetish and Maligned Mixed Marriage, respectively; the latter as the counterpart of Black Gal on White Guy Drama.
• Move examples of into "black men have a fetish for white women" to Race Fetish; make a new trope for "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized".
• Make a new trope for "black men have a fetish for white women"; move examples of "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized" into Maligned Mixed Marriage.
• Cut the trope. Move examples of "black men have a fetish for white women" into Race Fetish, and examples of "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized" to Maligned Mixed Marriage.

EDIT: I realized that "keeping one of these concepts under Where da White Women At?" would add more options, but dislike for the name (which I agree with) was expressed earlier... should these be retooled?

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 23rd 2020 at 9:57:15 AM

Considering the amount of wicks for Race Fetish (209) Maligned Mixed Marriage (601) Where da White Women At? (461, fluff down due to mundane examples neither fetish nor criticism) I think #2 is the best option. I'm new to this so IDK if I should jump the gun or not.

Well, here is that crowner for the next course of action. I reworded "make a new trope" to "keep in separate trope" so we have the option of keeping the page Where da White Women At?.

Does it usually take about a month for enough votes?

Well, the crowner was not hooked so I am bumping this thread and hollering again.

I see you edited the OP to add "\"Black man is with a white woman but I\'m going to assume it\'s a fetish bc its not natural\". I didn't know this was being considered as a splitoff candidate. Can't that be folded under "BM/WW relationship criticized"?

I didn't mean that it was a split off candidate. I mean to point out most examples had a habit of assuming a black man with a white woman was automatically fetishizing her even though the work says nothing about a fetish. We already agreed to delete all of those examples. Fixed it.

Helping you nudge this because thank GOD this is getting fixed, lol.

Yeah, Jesus.

I would favor following option which is currently not on the crowner:

• Keep examples of "black men have a fetish for white women" on Where da White Women At? and move examples of "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized" into Maligned Mixed Marriage.

that is “Keep examples of "black men have a fetish for white women" in a separate trope (subtrope of Race Fetish); move examples of "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized" into Maligned Mixed Marriage.”

Some people expressed dislike of the name Where da White Women At? so that’s why it’s phrased “separate trope”. We can decide to throw out or keep the name at a later point.

^ "Separate trope" implies to me that Where da White Women At? stays in some way. Why not phrase it as: Rename Where da White Women At?, keep examples of "black men have a fetish for white women" on and move examples of "a black man/white woman relationship is criticized" over to Maligned Mixed Marriage.

There wasn't consensus to rename either. I clarified it earlier in the thread while explaining crowner options. There's no telling which, if either, of the tropes will get or keep the name Where da White Women At? if they are made, since it's not all that clear either. It would probably be neater to decide how we're splitting it first then decide with an Alternative Titles crowner how to name the splits.

Hollering for a third time for the crowner to be hooked.

Thank you! I added option numbers per my list in post 26 for ease of discussion, and clarified the lack of "renaming" in the crowner description.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 11th 2020 at 9:50:39 AM

I would like to remind everyone that a lot of the "misuse" noted in the OP is the result of a unilateral change to the description made by the OP a few months ago that removed references to the Race Fetish aspect of the trope. Just something to keep in mind.

If you still think the two concepts are too different to be kept in one trope that's find, but I think these are sort of weird circumstances to be voting.

^ The Race Fetish reference was added by Morgenthaler in 2015, probably unilaterally, which may have started a decay. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's called misuse or several tropes in one. All we want to achieve here is sorting out the mishmash.

What's not clear to me at the moment is why we have settled on those two concepts "black man/white woman fetish" and "criticized black man/white woman relationship". I cannot discern from OP's wick check if these are the two overriding ideas found in the sample list. How many examples of the latter concept were found that would justify an option to create a separate trope for it?

Well, toss your hat in the crowner and we'll decide after.

I feel since the fetish part is a stereotype through history, there'd be enough examples in fiction to justify keeping fetish as its own trope. Same way Scary Black Man and Russian villains are.

Edited by CaptainJJC on May 13th 2020 at 12:23:48 PM

I mean, it's a legitimate question that would seriously affect which option is best, so it would be better to answer that now before the crowner runs its course. I will admit to not scrutinizing the wick check when I made the crowner options, but everyone seemed to have settled on those two concepts so I went with them.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 15th 2020 at 1:05:02 PM

Unless I'm interpreting what you said wrong, we already did decide "Relationship criticized" and "Fetish" were 2 overriding ideas in the same page, and we also identified multiple instances of "Troper defines mundane relationship as fetish due to personal biases" which will all be deleted.

You mention that "80% of examples in and out the page document black men fetishizing white women, or defining a mundane relationship as a fetish" but eroock's question is where in the wick check is this trend seen. The folder categories are not very clear.

My write up is pretty direct. I've taken about 62 samples out of over 460 total existing wicks to make my case.

For possible names: the criticism trope can use (what's now a redirect) White Gal on Black Guy Drama.

The fetish trope...not sure on that. There is an option to use the current name, but do we have any other ideas?

White Gal On Black Gay Fetish?

Did I miss something about how this trope interacts with homosexuality, or was that a typo?

As mentioned before I don't really see any examples on the wick check that are "black guy-white woman fetish" or at least they aren't labeled as such. People usually use the trope to document any white woman/black guy couple regardless of whether it means anything in the narrative so I can get behind Black Guy White Gal Drama.

I think the fetish thing can just be rolled into Race Fetish