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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#101: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:36:09 AM

The thing I find the funniest about the remake is that everyone hated the dumb ghost things when they were first revealed, and then Cloud and Co. kill them and it's revealed that all they wanted was to keep the events of Final Fantasy VII the same instead of letting Nomura do whatever the fuck he is. [lol]

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#102: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:39:49 AM

[up][up][up]There can still be plenty of tragedy and mindbreak to come. It'll just be something new instead of the same shit we saw decades ago.

I will take a remake that turns into its own thing/a sequel over a sequel that turns out to be a soulless remake every day of the week

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#103: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:41:18 AM

What makes you think Zack's going to stay alive?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#104: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:47:16 AM

Wait Zack is alive? WHAT?!

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:48:02 AM

He's shown surviving the fight that killed him in VII/Crisis Core, at least.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#106: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:51:15 AM

What the shit was he doing for 7 years?

Hanging out at the Gold Saucer?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#107: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:51:42 AM

It is implied that it might be an alternate timeline but the fact that they bothered to show it at all says it's probably going to affect stuff.

Edited by LordVatek on Apr 3rd 2020 at 2:52:15 PM

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#108: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:51:50 AM

[up][up]i mean i would

Edited by MetaflarePrime on Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:52:00 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#109: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:52:31 AM

[up][up] Do we still have footage of the ghost people? Videos are being taken down.

[up] Chocobo racing man, that was the shit.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:55:44 AM

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#110: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:52:42 AM

Zack's death happened just a few days before the game starts. If he's still alive, then presumably he took Cloud to Midgar and then left him there alone for some reason.

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#111: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:53:39 AM

[up] Must Square ruin the memories of Crisis Core? Fuck, it was a great game with beautiful ending.

But OH MY GOD ZACK IS BACK!!!

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:55:57 AM

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#112: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:56:05 AM

[up]Chill.

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#113: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:57:38 AM

[up] NO!!!! ZACK IS BACK!!!!!!! THAT"S FUCKING AWESOME!!!

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#114: Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:59:07 AM

I mean, I like Zack but this is very :|

I can hear the shrieks of the Cloud/Aerith shippers from here

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#115: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:00:00 PM

[up] Cloud and Tifa had better chemistry anyway.

But still, i like Cloud better than Zack, but holy shit, i wanna see them talk to each other.

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#116: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:02:10 PM

@Airman: And what exactly makes you so sure it's not gonna be souless pandering instead?

They already brough Zack Back from the Dead.

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#117: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:03:53 PM

i mean zack is my fav ff7 character so im not complaining >.>

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#118: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:04:27 PM

What we should be concerned about is how Square handles him.

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PhoenixAct Since: Feb, 2011
#119: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:05:11 PM

[up][up][up]Might have brought him back.

We don't know whether that was a mind whammy, a look at an alternate timeline, or something else. That ending was essentially setting up new plot hooks for part two.

Edited by PhoenixAct on Apr 3rd 2020 at 8:05:34 PM

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#120: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:15:51 PM

Quoting my post in the other thread to sum up how I feel about these changes:

I mean, the main reason people who are fans of the original think these new changes are a huge red flag is because it makes the game seem more like Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, both of which have bad storytelling and the former of which undermined the original in a lot of ways. It makes it seem like the worst case scenario of Nomura being at the helm came true, which is pretty disappointing given how promising this remake looked despite my and many people's initial misgivings with it.

And that's kind of why my attitude isn't "well I'm curious to see where this goes"; Nojima (who's working with Nomura on this remake) hasn't been a good writer in a very long time, and Nomura's lack of aptitude towards storytelling has already been established. I agree that changes aren't inherently bad, but it's difficult to get excited when the track record and what we've seen so far highly indicates the new stuff is going to be nonsense, unless you're looking forward to it in a So Bad, It's Good way.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:24:06 PM

The thing that bothers me is that a lot of the story is very flashy. In that sort of "Advent Children, style over substance" kind of way.

And I'm bothered less by Zack living, even if that does affect the entire plot, than I am time traveling Sephiroth or nobody dying when the plate fell. Seriously, that last one is just... I'm incredulous thinking about it. The rest was the kind of fanservice stuff I could expect, especially with people asking for a "Save Aerith DLC", but really?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#122: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:25:14 PM

[up] Watch it be compensated by horrific massacres later on the game.

Or watch as the WEAPONS won't kill anyone. Those building are all totally empty.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:25:56 PM

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#123: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:29:54 PM

Not every story needs a What If? causality mechanism that establishes alternate worlds. Especially when it does not exist in the world's cosmology to begin with.

I mean, consciousness-defying clones and parasitic organisms were part of FFVII's cyberpunk themes, which made Advent Children at least logical as a premise. Whether it was needed or done well is an entirely different matter.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#124: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:32:44 PM

Also i gotta say, the foe yay levels between Sephiroth and Cloud are really played up.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#125: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:33:37 PM

Yeah, this whole thing just made Sephy seem even more like Cloud's abusive ex.

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