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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Mar 23rd 2020 at 11:32:52 AM

Sandbox for this thread: Sandbox.Art Style ZCE Cleanup

Spinning off from this TRS thread and further the main ZCE cleanup thread, which voted to clean up ZCEs from Inkblot Cartoon Style and other "art style" tropes.

Art styles are tropes. They can help characterize a setting or character, be used as part of a homage, parody, or pastiche, or otherwise say something about the work. However, many of these tropes are plagued with zero context examples, largely because these tropes can be difficult to add context to.

Mission:

This thread aims to purge zero context examples from these pages (using commented-out markup (%%)) and add context to examples that are missing them, especially if commenting on ZCE examples results in a page with very few viable examples.

Good and bad examples:

Here is a commented-out (as of this writing) example from Inkblot Cartoon Style:
Felix the Cat, created in 1919.

Here is an example of proper context for an Inkblot Cartoon Style entry:

The indie title Cuphead. Its visuals and overall art style are a homage to old cartoons by Fleischer Studios and its contemporaries, and features characters drawn with wide eyes and mouths, round features, simple outfits, and white gloves. In motion, they all have Rubber Hose Limbs and uses Briffits and Squeans. Several characters visually evoke characters from that era, such as Werner Werman looking very similar to Mortimer Mouse; some reference animation figures from that era, like Kahl being named for Milt Kahl. The animation was even all hand-drawn on cels!

Guidelines, tips and tricks for contextualizing an Art Style ZCE:

  • Describe the hallmark features of the style as it applies to the character, scene or work. In the entry above:
    "features characters drawn with wide eyes and mouths, round features, simple outfits, and white gloves. In motion, they all have Rubber Hose Limbs and uses Briffits and Squeans.'"
  • Describe why this style is being used. For example, from Disneyesque:
    The Simpsons featured a [parody of a Disney work]. Although the characters were still drawn in the standard Simpsons style, the backgrounds were painted in the Disney style and the characters' lines were done in color.
  • If the work is a parody or homage, write what it is homaging and compare/contrast it with the source work. From Animesque:
    The Fairly Oddparents: [...]another Dragon Ball Z spoof with a show titled Maho Mushi, portraying a (to Americans) violent fighting tournament and a multitude of beam attacks. The characters' designs change accordingly; Timmy now has bead eyes similar to Goku while Vicky was dressed like Piccolo.


Inkblot Cartoon Style has already been commented out, but we need help cleaning up wicks and adding context to commented-out entries. Also on the agenda for the future are:

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MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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May 15th 2020 at 11:46:01 PM

This thread got lost in the shuffle I am bringing it back to life.

I am sadly not familiar with most of the stuff on Ink Blot Cartoon Style. I can try to hunt down the episodes of the shows I do know to see if I can fix the ZC Es

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MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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Jun 6th 2020 at 1:01:49 AM

How is this exapmle write up?

  • In the Felix the Cat cartoons, the titular Felix, a cartoon cat, has the characteristic ink-black body, white muzzle, and black nose associated with the ink blot style. The cartoons are the Trope Maker for the Rubber Hose Limbs technique and has inspired the style of many cartoons after their debut in 1919.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 6th 2020 at 4:23:38 AM

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Jun 6th 2020 at 1:39:23 AM

Looks good [tup]

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Jun 6th 2020 at 8:38:33 AM

I added it and added context to three other examples. The plan is to get the entire 1930s section done today.

Adding context really wasnt as hard as I thought.

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MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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Jul 10th 2020 at 2:13:53 PM

well another bump. I don't think this will do much but oh well.

Black Bead Eyes were mentioned in the ZCE thread for the high amount of ZCES.The description doesn't give much context besides it being part of a simplistic art style. I think it makes more to have a page on that than bead eyes by themselves because that is just one part of the whole.

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WarJay77 Some like it hot from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Jul 10th 2020 at 2:15:30 PM

I guess for now we should comment-it all out. If we have to we can retool it.

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Jul 10th 2020 at 2:18:45 PM

Looking at many of the works it appears in, Black Bead Eyes seems to be often associated with cuteness and innocence. They seem to be common to young characters as well.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jul 10th 2020 at 5:18:44 AM

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Jul 10th 2020 at 2:38:36 PM

There are some good examples — anything that actually describes the eyes can be kept, especially if the example goes into the design reasoning for it. I think my favorite example would be No Matter How I Look at It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular!, which actually describes what type of black-bead the characters have.

Just a (Monster) Kid
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Jul 11th 2020 at 7:37:58 AM

Sorry for double posting, but two things:

  • Thanks for clearing out the page Macron! [tup]
  • Turns out the page image was also changed without permission last month. I made a thread for it, feel free to drop by.

Just a (Monster) Kid
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Jul 21st 2020 at 2:35:17 PM

Went through the first three folders in Animesque. Currently steeling myself for the USA folder, but if anyone wants to pitch in with the other folders, please do. Also found this example I'm not sure how to split, if it even has enough context:

  • Iginio Straffi's shows Winx Club and Huntik (from Italy) were designed in an anime style, and every character has hair highlights. Both heavily feature transformation sequences. They don't use Limited Animation, though.

Edit: The USA folder is done! Thank fuck. Did the Animation — Other folder as well since it was so small.

Also bringing up this example as it needs more context, but as is can stay on the page.

  • Kappa Mikey: Everyone save the title character is drawn in a limited-animation anime style as the show is set in Japan — therefore everyone there is Japanese and must be drawn in a Japanese style, except the title character, who is American and drawn in a much simpler fashion. It pulls no punches when it comes to Facefaults and thinly veiled parodies. This is played for laughs in one scene when everyone gets a big-head facefault except Mikey, being drawn in American style. He holds his breath in an attempt to copy them, fails, then mumbles, "Show-offs".

And if these eyecatches were made in Japan, do they even count as Animesque??

  • When X-Men was dubbed and localized for Japan, new openings and eyecatches were animated that evoke all sorts of anime-related tropes; Anime Theme Songs, Speed Stripes, even a Beam-O-War between Professor X and Magneto. See for yourself.
  • Jem was animated by Toei Animation. It has a western art style however some Japanese things accidentally slid in, like some background extras looking animesque and a Japanese eyechart appearing (instead of an American one). The series also uses characters who naturally have abnormal hair colors, which is uncommon in American animation, and has some Magical Girl traits. The show has Eye Catches as well, which are more common in anime than American cartoons.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jul 21st 2020 at 3:55:37 AM

Just a (Monster) Kid
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Jul 22nd 2020 at 8:02:57 AM

I think the X-Men and Jem examples still count even though the eye catches were done by Japanese studios. They are just western cartoons that had animesque elements added to them and the art style is still western.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 22nd 2020 at 10:03:32 AM

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Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:14:43 AM

Thank you! waii I'm not done yet (still a lot to go through and I'm talking it slow so I don't get burnt out), but there being a noticeable change from just the first dozen folders cleaned is very nice to hear!

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Jul 25th 2020 at 5:46:40 PM

I made a TRS thread for Animesque because the whole thing is a mess

Just a (Monster) Kid
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Aug 26th 2020 at 7:01:54 AM

So I was looking at the commented out examples on Animesque and found an example that seemed to have enough context but was commented out anyway?

  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is what happens if the My Little Pony franchise was rebooted using Anime Tropes. The art style adopted the distinctively big-head, tiny-mouth, wide and sparkling eyes style that anime is known for. Some anime graphical elements even found their way into the show. That said, the art style is still very westernized, in particular when it comes to the non-pony characters and animals.

What needs to be added/adjusted in order for it be uncommented?

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Aug 26th 2020 at 2:26:49 PM

I forget if I commented that out or if someone else did... anyway, while it does describe how the ponies look like anime, that tacked on last sentence just muddles things, as it just "well actually it does still heavily resemble a Western cartoon"'s without actually explaining it. If I commented it out, I think I did it because I know squat about MLP and thus couldn't adequately fix the example. The two tropes linked to "graphical elements" also need to be spilt apart, as they create a Chained Sinkhole.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Aug 26th 2020 at 5:28:10 AM

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
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Sep 29th 2020 at 2:15:54 AM

The TRS thread for Animesque seems to have determined that no action is required other than cleanup. This is an opportunity to clean up the ZCEs and misuse. For reference, the wick check determined that about half of all examples are ZCE.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Sep 29th 2020 at 4:16:50 AM

NRLEP candidates * ColorTropesCleanup
LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
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Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:36:37 AM

Noodle People is nearly all ZCE. It's also an appearance trope, so it will be filed on Sandbox.Appearance Tropes Cleanup.

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