It looks to me as though hypocrite is about individuals and Moral Myopia is about groups.
By that, I mean that Moral Myopia is 'institutional'. It's a system within the setting that creates a set-up whereby those who are part of that system have one 'standard' that is considered acceptable or even desirable, but those who are outside that system are not allowed to behave in the same way. Meanwhile, hypocrite is about an individual holding a belief or engaging in an action that directly contravenes something else they believe or have done.
Both tropes need to be addressed in-universe, so it's not a judgement the audience can pass on either groups or individuals.
It is, however, quite difficult to establish the differences and overlaps between these two tropes. Even after writing this post, I'm not 100% certain I've reached the heart of both tropes.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 20th 2020 at 12:53:03 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Hypocrisy is "not practicing what you preach".
Moral Myopia is more about selfishness and ego ("It's a good rule only if I/my side follow it, not when others do").
Moral Dissonance is more meta, and relies on the audience's perception; I have no idea why this isn't YMMV
Edited by 4tell0life4 on Feb 20th 2020 at 6:20:24 AM
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenzaI'm not sure what Moral Dissonance is trying to be. As currently written, it's practically a wordy list of 'if it's this scenario, it's X trope' which suggests it's not a trope in its own right and is just listing a number of tropes that can be used in similar ways. The first paragraph alone is almost accidentally redirecting people to Double Standard and Fridge Logic, while also muddying what the Hypocrite trope is. That's not a good start.
It might need a description clean-up.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Hypocrite is a person doesn't follow the "Practice What You Preach" rule. They showed themselves as a virtuous fellow with a certain ideal they share. In the shadows, they are that person who goes against their own ideals.
Moral Myopia is a trope when people feel fine committing bad deeds on other people. They tend to believe that nothing would happen to them. Whether it be a victim fighting back or someone giving them A Taste of Their Own Medicine, they would have the audacity to feel offended by that action.
Edited by Anonymous33002 on Dec 23rd 2023 at 8:24:04 AM
It's fine, they're contributing so a bump isn't an issue. Probably a good thing actually since Hypocrite has become a hot button topic.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallWell... this thread
and this ATT
should sum it up, but basically it's not clear what the metrics are, how subjective it's allowed to be, and if unintentional examples are valid.
The fact that Moral Dissonance was a green link was probably a sign some of the discussion was outdated...
I mentioned this in the thread linked
, but my impression has always been that hypocrite has a similar origin to Pun: an outlet for non-humorous examples of hypocrisy to be potholed to to ease misuse of Hypocritical Humor. Plain old hypocrisy would be People Sit on Chairs otherwise.
Edited by MorganWick on Dec 24th 2023 at 12:24:18 PM
The original intention of Hypocrite appears to be about the narrative itself pointing out that a character is being hypocritical, or others perceive that individual as being hypocritical. But it was never clearly indicated, and never associated with the IUEO index. As a result, people started treating it like it was audience reaction (someone following the work thinks a character is being hypocritical even if the narrative isn't portraying them as one, which seems to be misuse).
There was a previous wick check done in 2020, and an updated one being done now, to see how the trope is currently being used.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 30th 2023 at 12:35:17 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I understand Moral Myopia to mean someone who is compassionate about those they know and relate to, but have no scruples about exploiting those they don't. It's not necessarily institutional, but it is usually expressed by whole social groups of varying sizes (in fiction and reality). Unlike Hypocrite, there need not be any expression of lofty ideals; simply differing behaviour in that they treat the out-group in ways they would not accept on the in-group.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.A number of pages like Hypocrite and Pride struggle because they are less tropes and more real life vices and behaviors being applied to characters. Thus is different to pages like Super OCD because real life behaviors are different from narrative characterization.
Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.

What is the distinction between Hypocrite and Moral Myopia? My impression is:
So is Hypocrite for examples not reprehensible enough to make them villains but too minor and/or deliberate to fall under Dissonance?
Is Hypocrite like Jerkass where it should only be used if it’s sub-tropes don’t fit?