Disambiguating Works / Subpage Collision Discussion

All the pages that cover Two Worlds are a strange mish-mash as it refers to three unrelated works so you've got a character page that only covers the fanfic, a YMMV page that only covers the videogame series and nothing but it's own page on the Machinima.

I think the three should be separated so they don't share the same space. Like have Two Worlds redirect to Two Worlds Series for example

Feel free to split them away with years; circle back to this thread if that doesn't work.

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Film.The Gray Man —> Film.The Gray Man 2007 to disambiguate with Film.The Gray Man 2022, yes?

Don't wanna clog up Locked Pages with non-topic, so...

I'm done End of page 1182, so on page 1183 now, a.k.a I gotta remember Scorpion and Kanon for the far-future or whatever.

Handling Music.Scorpions wick cleaning now...

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(IIRC / I assume) we prefer that the page maker move their page, if they're around but is that mandatory? ~I Am Houssem 17

Because I was gonna have Fanfic.BestServedCold moved to Fanfic.BestServedColdIAmHoussem17 due to Literature existing, but I PM-d them / you a month+ ago.

Edited by Malady on Jul 20th 2022 at 6:49:28 AM

For Series.Hometown 2021

• Series.Home Town —> Series.Home Town 2016
• Literature.Hometown —> Literature.Hometown 2014

?

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 21st 2022 at 4:26:24 AM

- Wikipedia check seems to confirm that's fine.

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Anyone got a good name to move Creator.Spiders to?

Even if we can't come up with one for the creator, the works titled Spiders can both be year-disambiguated.

- Yeah, but the Film has subpages. So I wanna clear my backlog first before asking for that move.

Edited by Malady on Jul 22nd 2022 at 6:26:18 AM

Any thoughts on how best to approach ComicBook.X Factor 1991?

It's actually for the Peter David run on the ongoing X-Factor (1986) series, so the year probably needs to change.

But David's written for later reboots with the same title as well, so just using his name won't disambiguate. And using a year that's the start of his time on the title, not the start of its publication, seems confusing and a little inconsistent.

Do we have a standard format (and wikiword approach) for cases where we need both year and name to disambiguate a title?

Say, X-Factor (Peter David, 1986) or something?

(It was also branded as All New X-Factor, which wasn't the official title - but that doesn't disambiguate either, as a later volume also written by David used that one as its formal title well)

The closest thing I can think of is Star Wars (Marvel 1977) and Star Wars (Marvel 2015), though it's obviously not quite the same there. (I honestly think just the year may have sufficed in that case, but they were originally named Marvel Star Wars [1977/2015] and I wanted to retain as much of the older disambiguation as possible when moving them. This case seems like it really does need both author and year, though, so I'd say your proposal works for lack of a better option.)

Well, working on bands, found Music.Berlin, looks pretty easy, 60 wicks, a few short subpages, that demonstrate splitting. Sorta.

Here's info on the band... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_(band)

If no one wants to help out, well, my backlog should be clear by... Next week at the absolute latest...

I'd say that there's no need for a move. The numbering continued, but the characters and plots were different enough that it is essentially its own title; leaving it where it is is the "least bad" option.

Right in the middle of other thing right now, but wanted to mention these/leave them as a note for myself to get back to later:

• Fanfic.Mall Rats (The Loud House fanfic)
• Film.Mallrats (1995 film, part of The View Askewniverse)

and

• Film.Abominable (2006 horror film)
• Literature.Abominable (Web Serial Novel by Joseph Aldridge)
• WesternAnimation.Abominable (2019 DreamWorks film)

- You only need to move the fanfic, because reasons somewhere that I lost track of again. Maybe this.

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And should we ask tropers to move pages they're functionally responsible for, like Fanfic.Home Sick, edited by and for a work by NoonboryKedabory?

Edited by Malady on Jul 25th 2022 at 7:11:16 AM

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it's necessarily their responsibility to move it — This Is a Wiki and all that. That said, if someone else does move it, I think PMing them just to let them know would be nice as a courtesy (considering that they're the author of the original fic and all).

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Also, I brought up another collision in another thread a while back, but didn't receive any responses. If no one minds, I'd like to bring it up again here:

There's three unrelated works sharing the same name — the game show FunHouse, the Stooges album FunHouse, and the pinball machine FunHouse. In addition to the Trivia and YMMV subpages containing items from all three, the lattermost work is stylized as FunHouse in CamelCase while the other two are spaced normally, meaning that there's some custom title (or lack thereof) collision here as well.

Music.Fun House Album and Pinball.Fun House 1990 seem like the best way to handle two of these. The game show is a bit trickier, since the page covers two separate versions (an American one that ran between 1988-1991 and a British adaptation that lasted from 1989 until 1999) — I figure Series.Fun House 1988 could work, since it's the year the format was created. Anyone have any alternatives or objections to this?

"1988" seems fair enough though I prefer they be split. One is a Foreign Remake of the other.

There is a problem is with the trope Space "X", which is properly spelled as Space "X", and the Useful Notes page for Space "X", which should be spelled SpaceX, but now it is spelled Space "X" too. For a time it was the other way around (both was spelled SpaceX), which is even worse, as the trope has much more wicks.

If it is not possible to have different spelling for the two pages, what can be done? As a compromise, we could use the default spelling (Space X), which is at least not way off for either.

Can the UN be renamed to UsefulNotes.Space Exploration Technologies Corporation?

It has 47 wicks. I think the best would be to rename and keep Space "X" as a redirect. Then not all wicks need to be rewritten.

47 wicks can be changed in less than an hour. I'd be concerned more if the name is good.

Space "X" has come up multiple times but we never get around to fixing it.

Renaming the UN would take less bureaucracy. I suggested putting it under its full name and I think that's the more painless compromise.

I have argued in the past that UsefulNotes.Space X is not viable as a wiki article because it's not sufficiently relevant to creative media. We don't need to be Wikipedia. I even cut it at one point but it got recreated.

(This is coming from one of the biggest SpaceX stans on this site, by the way.)

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 28th 2022 at 12:38:03 PM

That's also fair, though it's ahead of many other UN pages by at least having an 'appearances in fiction' section.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 28th 2022 at 11:41:53 AM

x8 Judging from the page, the UK version doesn't seem to have enough tropes of its own to warrant a split (at the moment, at the very least).

If no one has any objections, I'll move the three pages to Music.Fun House Album, Pinball.Fun House 1990, and Series.Fun House 1988 in the next day or so.