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Emilia runs a cruise ship, that's how you know she's really evil 
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Man thats one ugly Mega Walrus.Its nice it shows her as the least animal like mega mute too.
Also that Her mute side is actually depicted as scared and terrified nicely contrasts with how aweful a person Emillia is as the human half.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 14th 2020 at 11:16:58 AM
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I just finished the entire series yesterday so that was an experience.
I got a few things I'm nitpicking to actually legitimately having problems with.
Asher & Dahlia were just kinda there in the end, Dr. Emilia's ultimate fate, while fitting, seems kinda contradicting with Kipo curing her of her mental prison in comparison to forever being tortured by Fun Gus which I'm pretty sure she's dead by the time the Time Skip occurs.
The things I did have a problem with was how they treated Margot & killing off Hugo. I'm still very confused about how he died & lived long enough for Kipo to have her emotional goodbye to him.
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, Karen Fukuhara talks her thoughts about potential She-ra and the Princesses of Power-movie spin-off, as well as her thoughts of potential crossover with Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts.
...Not gonna lie, that sounds pretty interesting.
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It'd be weird. Not just the clashing art styles, but Glimmer and Kipo sound mostly the same. It's really cool that she's given it so much thought, though. Really shows how attached she is to the shows.
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Started watching this now that it's done. I'm halfway through season one. Benson is my favorite character so far with Kipo as a close second. Can't say I like Wolf though. She's too pessimistic for my liking and not in the fun way that Benson and Dave are. At the rate I'm watching I should finish season one sometime Wednesday night or Thursday morning since I've been limiting myself to two episodes per day (Though I did take a break for a few days.).
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Eh. Wolf gets better by season 2.
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What? Nah. She only voiced two characters who are purp- well technically three if we assume Sewer Queen from Craig of the Creek is wearing a dark purple swimsuit.
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The Sewer Queens hair is dark purple.
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Not to mention her goggles.
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I thought it was a good season. Its nice to have a 30 episode self contained show, kind of like She-Ra was but with 52 episodes there. I hope Netflix keeps up this trend of animation with a pre determined number of seasons.
I do think it would have been better for Hugo to live and continue to make amends though.
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Yes, I agree that keeping Hugo alive would have been a better ending, but what we ultimately got was fine too. I guess they wanted to give a closure to Hugo's personal grudge with Emilia.
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Man, I was very satisfied with this final season.
Season two felt very much like they were trying to do the slow burn thing. They went out of their way to put Troy on a bus and avoid having him and Benson interact as much as possible. It felt very much like a modern LGBT relationship where the attraction is clearly there but they don't want to cement an actual relationship until the final five minutes of the last episode.
But then season three dropped a time-skip on the audience and then Benson walks in going, "Boyfriend boyfriend boyfriend date date boyfriend date HAVE AN ONSCREEN KISS IN FACT HOW ABOUT TWO boyfriend boyfriend." And Troy got to be around and do things, and he and Benson got to be adorable together, and it was great.
Actual on-screen romance >>> teasing and Will They/Won't They garbage. Hetero romance writers, also take note, because this shit affects straight romances in media too. Actual relationships are better than years-long endless ship tease.
But then they didn't do that. Well, almost. Instead, Scarlemagne got the thing that I've been pushing for in all of my "Redemption is Bad" rants. They didn't redeem Scarlemagne. They rehabilitated him instead.
Scarlemagne didn't just mope about how he Done A Bad Once and then do a good thing and be promptly forgiven by everyone. The fundamental flaws of his worldview were directly challenged and he was forced to confront what he actually did wrong. Kipo won him over philosophically and it was a long, arduous process.
My one beef with the handling of Scarlemagne is his death. Redemption Equals Death is a time-honored trope among redemption arcs and if it felt to you as it did to me, like dying at the end was totally unnecessary and kind of mean-spirited, then that really just goes to show you what makes rehabilitation better than redemption.
It's because rehabilitation has substance to it. The character changes on a fundamental level. Going to the effort of rehabilitating a character only to then punish them anyway feels cruel.
By contrast, redemption is substanceless. It literally means nothing. The character does a good thing and, from it, we are meant to see them as now being good. It's the morality equivalent of a "EUREKA" moment in which a light bulb goes off in the character's head and they suddenly express their goodness in a dramatic gesture.
The benefit of Redemption Equals Death is that it's a way for writers to have their cake and eat it. It gives the character a moment of performative goodness to communicate to the audience that they're good now, but it also sidesteps the conversation about consequences for their actions. It's, like, cynical martyrdom. The character is good now, so says the writer, but also he's dead. Can't be punished any harsher than that, so if you don't like his redemption, the writer invites you to screw off. What do you want, to put his corpse in prison?
When you get right down to it, Redemption Equals Death is a cop-out, really.
So if Scarlemagne's sacrifice seemed uncomfortable and out of place, that's why. He didn't need a redemption. He already had a very effective and well-written rehabilitation arc; killing him off for "redemption" afterwards just feels cowardly. Scarlemagne didn't need a Redemption Moment of performative goodness to make him Not A Bad Guy Anymore. Further, putting in the effort to rehabilitate him only to punish him at the end anyway feels cruel.
So. Yeah. Scarlemagne's arc shits the bed at the very last possible moment. But you know what? It's still a step in the right direction. The writers may have been reluctant to fully let go of those obnoxious "redemption" tropes, but they put in the effort to flesh out an honest-to-god rehabilitation story nonetheless. And I can be satisfied with that.
Emilia needed to get fucked. And, even moreso, the show needed to fuck Emilia. The show had a strong message about the value of diplomacy but it needed to acknowledge that some people don't want to be "saved". Emilia was a nasty piece of work and any attempt to have her suddenly recant her ways and embrace civility was going to feel cheap and unearned. In fact, about as nasty as Scarlemagne in season two would have, if not moreso.
And that's the thing. Yes, Scarlemagne was rehabilitated, but he had an entire season of screentime to dedicate to it. His journey to rehabilitation didn't begin until after he got fucked. Because he, like Emilia, needed to get fucked. His rehabilitation begins in a prison cell because ending his threat ultimately had to take priority over trying to change him. Kipo made an effort in season two, but it fell on deaf ears. How could it not? He was winning. Why should he have to change when his worldview was demonstrably succeeding?
Scarlemagne's circumstances had to change dramatically before rehabilitation became an option. Maybe it's not out of the question that, had her circumstances changed similarly, Emilia might be rehabilitated too. But. Like. We're kind of out of show. This is the end. Emilia needs to be resolved in a way that carries a sense of finality because there isn't going to be a season four in which to challenge her worldview and give her opportunities for change.
And there is merit in that. Maybe everyone can be rehabilitated. Who knows? But even if they can, not everyone will. Ending the threat takes priority over trying to change them. The difference between Emilia and Scarlemagne is that Emilia fought to the bitter end. That, and that alone, is why Scarlemagne was rehabilitated.
So, since Emilia needs to be resolved with finality, we get Zane in her place. Zane, rather than Emilia, gets to parallel Scarlemagne's rehabilitation (just with much less focus). He, too, winds up locked in a cage for a time. Like Scarlemagne, he ends up challenging and confronting his belief system and ultimately bonds with and becomes a part of the society Kipo is trying to build. He is converted simply by discovering the familiar in these people he had previously seen as The Other, and so he inadvertently becomes one of the people carrying Kipo's message back to to the humans.
All things considered, I had a lot of reservations about where this season would go. But they stuck it out and really made the story click for me. Uh, with one notable exception. But, hey, nobody's perfect.
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It's unlikely that they were able to get any feed back for any of the seasons as Kipo is basically a single season of 30 episodes. It's almost certain that season 2 was basically complete when season 1 came out and that season 3 was fully scripted and mostly recorded.
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Just finished the series a few minutes ago. Immediate thoughts: Season one is the best season though season two gets points for giving us the best song in the series Heroes on Fire. Dave and Benson are still my favorite characters though Wolf became more likable after Kipo visited her old home in season two. Season three is probably the weakest season because while I love a good Saturday morning cartoon villain Emilia just isn't compelling compared to Scarlemagne. I spoiled myself a bit but apparently people don't like that they didn't find a way to reverse the cure but honestly I think that would've been a copout so I'm glad they didn't.
It's been a wild ride these past two weeks or so of watching the show but I enjoyed it. While I think it could've been shorter what we got works.
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Agreed on the cure part. I get people want everyone to have a happy ending, but having many characters, even if side ones, not get one adds more weight to an ending, IMO. It's better than absolutely everything turning out right, even if its harsh to watch
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Well, there's always fanfiction for that.
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My complaint is less about the lack of a cure, which I agree would've deflated the actual losses we got, and more to do with how the vaccine (not the same thing as a cure) subplot was given a lot of importance and then it quickly disappeared.
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A cure wouldn't really exist.
Turning them back into mutes? Sure thats more than probable. Restoring who they were when that gets erased when they are turned into normal animals again? Less so.
What they were working on was a vaccine too, to prevent it from working rather than a insta cure to it to begin with.
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A way to reverse the cure would absolutely exist if the writers wanted one to. It has nothing to do with, like, scientific plausibility or whatever. There are no such things as scientific limitations in fictional universes. It was entirely a creative choice to not reverse Dr. Emilia's mute cure in order to preserve the dramatic consequences of the stakes they'd established.
The writers basically used the cure as a G-rated death. The "cured" characters are, for the purposes of the story, Killed Off for Real. They didn't reverse the cure because they didn't want to undermine the heartbreaking drama that their "Not technically dead BUT" mechanic inflicted on the survivors.
Of note: The way the writers go out of their way to avoid actually killing the mute victims and Dr. Emilia is another reason that Scarlemagne's real-actual-no-fooling death scene stands out awkwardly.
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Again, the possibility of a cure is not my issue. My problem is that the vaccine subplot felt pointless because Emilia was defeated and it was never addressed again after Song got to de-stress with her daughter.
Yeah, that's another bit of awkwardness. Though I'm 99% sure Emilia is dead. We saw what happened to the one Fun Gus victim that didn't break out like Kipo and co. did.
Oh, bother.
Emilia's getting the Lenny treatment alright.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Her Mega Mute side is also mentioned to be the embodiment of her guilt at killing her brother.
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Hody even went so far as to assassinate his own Queen (and made a good effort at killing the rest of the royal family years later) and framed the human he hired to burn the Queen's petitions for it. Like Emilia, he considers anyone of his race who isn't as bigoted as him to be a Category Traitor.
Disgusted, but not surprised