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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:45:12 PM

This idea is born out of an ATT thread on negativity in the pages like Narm.Star Wars, NeverLiveItDown.Star Wars, IdiotPlot.Star Wars, and WhatAnIdiot.Star Wars. These subpages all revolve around nitpicking partially aspects of Star Wars movies that any troper who edits the page dislikes.

The purpose of this thread is to fix all of the problems with these complaint-riddled pages.

RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
#2: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:46:35 PM

Amen to that!

So, where do we start?

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WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#3: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:47:38 PM

Might as well start with the Narm page.

Btw, these aren't the only pages that need cleaning, the other YMMV subpages could use it, too.

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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#4: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:52:32 PM

Btw, these aren't the only pages that need cleaning, the other YMMV subpages could use it, too.

I know. Do we seriously not have a larger scale thread for fixing YMMV pages?

[up][up] I say we start with deciding what pages have the most misuse, then potentially cut them.

Forget to mention YMMV.Star Wars as a page in need of cleanup.

WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#5: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:54:01 PM

[up] Nope, we do have the smaller projects for specific YMMV issues though (Nightmare Fuel, Moral Event Horizon, Complete Monster, Magnificent Bastard, and that Narm cleanup of course, among others).

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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#6: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:59:02 PM

[up] Okay. Well, back to what the thread was made for...

Narm.Star Wars is now suffering from excessive misuse again after the examples were added back, so I suggest we either fix it or cut it.

WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#7: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:00:45 PM

We should fix it, like I said before; if there's valid examples, the page can stay.

Here's Sandbox.Star Wars Narm; let's go to work.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:01:15 AM

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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#8: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:07:23 PM

[up] I already made Sandbox.Narm Star Wars a while ago, but I like your sandbox more. We should go with the new one. Mine lacks a description (because I intended to rewrite it, which I did... on the actual page.)

So, the Anakin and Padmé folder is full of nothing but valid examples, so keep that one the way it is. Same thing for A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The other pages are where the removals took place.

WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#9: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:11:50 PM

[up] Mine is just the source of the current page copy+pasted [lol]

We can clean it up here and then ask for a transplant.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:12:11 AM

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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#10: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:28:17 PM

Well, as mentioned on ATT, the image caption is a stab at two real life people, so I say remove it.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#11: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:08:56 PM

I agree with this proposal.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#12: Jan 12th 2020 at 8:30:02 AM

For good measure and a related ATT, I added NeverLiveItDown.StarWars to the set of locked pages.

EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#13: Jan 12th 2020 at 8:41:44 AM

Made some changes to the sandbox:

  • Removed the rude image caption. Linked to the ATT thread in the edit reason.
  • Removed some of the misuse.

Edited by EarthboundFan on Jan 12th 2020 at 8:52:48 AM

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#14: Jan 12th 2020 at 1:57:15 PM

Did some clean up on sequel trilogy stuff in the sandbox. It's not perfect, but it's progress.

EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#15: Jan 12th 2020 at 3:29:12 PM

[up]I appreciate it, a lot of the re-adds were pretty sketchy. Though it looks like we still have quite a lot from TRoS.

Retroactive pointing-out-of-thing: I discovered TheScrappy.Star Wars. That image caption is just... mean.

Edited by EarthboundFan on Jan 12th 2020 at 3:32:10 AM

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#16: Jan 12th 2020 at 4:40:26 PM

So this isn't complaining, necessarily, but as a controversial issue relating to the franchise I thought I'd bring it here anyway. Following TROS, Rey and Ben/Kylo has been added to Official Couple. Given this pairing's vastly polarizing status, the fact that at least in my opinion, the feelings on Rey's end can be interpreted multiple ways, and, y'know, the fact that Ben snuffs it immediately after The Big Damn Kiss I though it'd be worth taking a consensus on the entry. So, uh, what say you?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#17: Jan 12th 2020 at 4:42:37 PM

[up] We've actually had an ATT thread about this, in which consensus was "no, they aren't an Official Couple".

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EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#18: Jan 12th 2020 at 4:51:20 PM

[up][up] I mean... one of them dies, so I assume that would make them not be a couple. Here is OfficialCouple.Live Action Films, to make it easy.

Edited by EarthboundFan on Jan 12th 2020 at 4:52:35 AM

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#19: Jan 12th 2020 at 6:17:35 PM

Anyone think FranchiseOriginalSin.Star Wars might need pruning? Granted, it's not full-on complaining, but some of these entries are a bit long.

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#20: Jan 12th 2020 at 9:22:25 PM

I'm honestly for axing the Scrappy pic entirely. Knowing what Ahmed Best went through that thing makes me pretty uncomfortable.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
WarJay77 Bonnie's Artistic Cousin from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#21: Jan 12th 2020 at 9:41:28 PM

[up] If so, that should be done at Image Pickin'.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#22: Jan 13th 2020 at 9:46:47 AM

From the cleanup ATT for NeverLiveItDown.Star Wars, there's a request to remove an entry. Should I bring requests here or just take to the locked pages thread directly (as this thread is currently busy with cleaning up the other pages)?

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23: Jan 13th 2020 at 10:19:06 AM

We could create a sandbox for that page as well.

EarthboundFan Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#24: Jan 13th 2020 at 5:03:50 PM

[up][up] This is probably the better place, as the entire thread was built around fixing these pages.

immichan Since: Jan, 2018
#25: Jan 13th 2020 at 10:03:33 PM

Since Hamburger Time brought up the Official Couple thing... Just keeping on top of the recurring Official Couple issue and other edits that are adamant about framing Rey and Kylo/Ben as having an unambiguously canonical romance might be a separate project. I wondered about that in Wiki Talk — thanks, War Jay 77! I've seen edit reasons and discussions when people attempt to stick to the trope definitions or bring in more nuance/neutrality get accused of anti-ship bias, or not knowing the correct way to interpret canon. Maybe that's a whole separate shipping bias project rather than part of this one, maybe it's related, idk! I picked a volatile time to attempt this stuff.

PageAction: StarWarsACI
16th Apr '20 9:57:39 AM

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Sandbox.Star Wars ACI has collected examples of Alternative Character Interpretation for Star Wars characters across more than 20 pages, including AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.Star Wars. Some characters have entries on AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.Star Wars, plus the YMMV pages for works where they make appearances, ex. Anakin Skywalker is on franchise-wide, Return of the Jedi, each of the prequel films, Thrawn: Alliances, plus the Darth Vader entries. This is just looking at the canon namespaces and not Legends. Before fixing issues with the examples themselves, we need to decide on how this trope will be organized for this franchise. These options are mutually exclusive; while you can find more than one acceptable, we will only enact one. For a different explanation of the options and the problems with this trope, see the Star Wars Cleanup thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15787899810A93565000&page=12#comment-294

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