Yu-Gi-Oh! Sevens

The impression I get is that it's cutting out the middleman. Instead of using a card or effect to swarm the field in one turn or just draw a bajillion cards at once you can just do that for free, for example.

I mean, you can say it cuts out the middleman, but it does more than that too. It squeezes the field down to 3 zones, limits the initial hand size and cuts out the entire Main Phase 2. The lack of main phase 2 is pretty damning for me personally, since the set-up after battling is a crucial cornerstone in any good duel.

I didn't like how Vrains handled Speed Duels and I don't think I'm going to like how Sevens handles Rush. And also, most draw cards were only draw 2's, when Rush dueling actually encourages way heavier hand refilling... as seen in the first duel, where we had a goddamn draw 5 right off the bat. Combine that with the cards actually being trash even by anime standards, and I'm just not in for a fun ride.

New episode is almost entirely a duel.

It's 4 turns.

Yeah I'm not a fan of these.

Edited by Nickpws on Apr 11th 2020 at 10:53:42 AM

Meanwhile I haven't seen the latest episode yet but I've finally seen episode one and I'm a fan. Love the cast and Rush Duels are great, though hopefully future ones have more turns. If not though, that's fine because being fast is kind of the point. Looking forward to episode three though because it's a Romin focus episode and she's probably my favorite so far.

I do wonder if the duels being short will be something that is maintained throughout the series run.

I mean, that seems to be the whole point, but I kinda liked the lengthier duels.

Yuga is an odd duck. That mix of Gadgeteer Genius and Idiot Hero is interesting, even though I'm not a huge fan of the latter.

Him losing his second duel of the series is something that doesn't happen all that often, especially since it was in a duel with his own homegrown rules. That being said, he lost the battle but won the war since his real goal was to show everyone how cool rush duels are. They really seem to need each other to succeed, since one provides the method to the other's madness.

I'm actually enjoying the quicker paced duels. They're fun, frantic, get to the point, and don't drag out or is padded for next week. Seriously, some of DM, and to a lesser extent VRAINS duels went on way longer than they needed to be.

Plus, oddly enough, I could see Rush Duel leading into Fusion, Synchros and XYZ a lot easier.

The obvious thing with Romin is that's she's most likely The Mole...but considering how cruel/totaltarian Goha is, I could lowkey see her as a Reverse Mole working for a third faction that seem to be rebellion against the system, only for them to become the next antagonists after Goha is defeated.

And holy crap, Luke's hilarious, I thought he was fun before, but the dude is a Large Ham in disguise and just steals the show, love his ambition. And its cool Yuga lost, Luke has more experience, and like Yuma, Yuga's not a prodigy, he just wants to have fun. So I'm cool with that.

Excited to see Romin duel, but I can't tell if she's face Luke, Yuga, or Gakuto. I would like to see Gakuto duel, but since we're in a school setting...well the school characters the character actually go too (Sorry Arc V) and interact with, I'd like to see more unique students for them to battle before Yuga goes up against Window Kaiba.

DM duels *did* drag way too long, yes. DM is also the first series and is *notorious* for this very fact.

Vrains duels just sucked in general.

My personal favorite in terms of duel pacing is GX. They've got plenty of turns, good back-and-forth and excellent pacing. The duels in Sevens right now just have way too little happening. 4000 LP was always a thing to make duels not last forever, granted, but making them this short is a bit extreme. 5 turns would be nice at the minimum, since it'd give both players 2 turns of set-up and then the final one for the finisher.

Nah I enjoy a lot of VRAINS duel's but some here and there were either too short or too long. Though I'm guessing SEVENS' duels will be a lot longer going forward.

A lot of people enjoyed Vrains' duels. I wish I could've, but they were so boring to me. Absolutely no impact. Didn't like Vrains in general, though.

Still, duels this short to start set a bad precedent. It gives me the impression Sevens will have the shortest duels in general, especially when it looks to be another one-episoder.

Vrains is the only Yugioh series I've watched to completion though I've seen significant chunks of every series. Obviously it was flawed but I still enjoyed it.

As for duels being short...that's the point. There's a reason they're called Rush Duels. They're meant to be over quickly. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if we got Master Duels later on and those were multiparters.

Yes. It's the point.

I don't like the point.

I was always sceptical of Rush Duels, and the way they're used hasn't made me change my mind.

I can understand what they're trying to do while still not liking the execution of that thing.

I agree with this, largely. I take a lot of interest in the system, and them using the game to show a heated battle between two people always intrigued me. Though I'm not so sure why the long duels was such a bad thing: shows off bluffing, shows off how the cards and the people react to their person's plays. Vrains was pleasantly flawed-severely, pleasantly flawed-but I liked duels because you could see they were trying to focus on seeing how the respective characters are very good duelists.

Rush's first duel struck me because there was a measure of Luck, Skill and positive exuberance. It fits his manic, positive energy. It was-by no means-a amazing win, but we're just starting out. The second duel really fit that, alongside some new complexity in order to entice the viewers, even with a loss for him. Honestly, I'm kinda expecting the next one to be a loss for him, if he's fighting.

I'm also hoping that a Master Duel will come out when things start to get real.

Though I'm not sure I get the animosity by Yuga about Master Duel rules. Sure, there was commentary about such things in Arc-V, which was due to a more competitive, violent nature to the game, which can reflect the culture of RL players. Here, it largely feels like he's trying to change the system to help himself and to fight against a 'rigidity' that exists artifically?

For now, yeah. Let the duels last a bit longer in order to establish both Yuga/others, and his opponents. I'd honestly say six turns, since it allows for a defensive strategy to be countered to bring victory.

Edited by Aurabolt on Apr 12th 2020 at 8:01:06 AM

Not 100% sold on this series, but since it's only two episodes in, I'm sure it will pick up. Don't hate it either way.

Yuga isn't changing the system to give himself an advantage. As is noted, he wants to change the system to make it more enjoyable

Edited by Eagal on Apr 13th 2020 at 11:41:45 AM

Was the old system not? Am I missing something about new summons, play into counterplay, and drawing once a turn?

Edited by Aurabolt on Apr 13th 2020 at 12:10:01 PM

I don't particularly find it to be so, but maybe Yuga does. =/

I'm not a fan of Rush Duels either, but the plot point isn't that hard to grasp.

I don't agree with the message that the system was inherently flawed, but the entire thing is framed in the context of an absolute ruling company. It's basically a dystopia the people themselves are ignorant of, and master duels are that 'symbol' of opression. That's why Yuga makes Rush Duels in defiance.

And that is about as far as I'm willing to go on that plot point because this is a very easy rabbit hole to fall into.

Edited by Nickpws on Apr 13th 2020 at 12:14:35 PM

Fair. At this stage I'm waiting for context, or that they give more than a passing glance at trading being a problem?

E: Fair enough. The impression I'm getting from the narrative, like with Arc-V, is that there is something problematic or concerning with the state of dueling which is woven into the story.

Arc-V's nature of violence behind dueling and the conflicting nature behind it, instead of it being a fun game, is what lead to the conflict.

From what I've seen so far, Goha is at the top of the mountain with Master Duels. From what we've been able to piece together, it is a monolithic thing that Yuga felt needed to change.

I'm not so sure Master Duels were lacking comeback-after-comeback or this high-velocity nature that Yuga feels his Rush duel changes. I'm hoping to see more than that when the plot finally kicks off.

Edited by Aurabolt on Apr 15th 2020 at 9:28:49 AM

Trading isn't a 'problem'

Goha just wants to control their citizens' every move.

So I tried watching the first episode, way too self-masturbatory on how "great" Rush Duels are for my liking.

Just look at the fucking lyrics for the opening.

I also feel by not showing Master Duels and therefore providing some sort of context or power level, a lot of the praises for Rush Duels end up feeling weak, which contributes to the self-masturbatory feel.

Like try to tell me nobody didn't cringe at the whole "He summoned 3 monsters AT ONCE" bit. Like decks don't spam out monsters like nobodies business nowadays. Hell, Orcust's entire stick was basically doing that just to get out materials for their extra deck monsters.

I agree that it feels very self-praising, but I don't think it's right to bring the IRL game into it. Ever.

Anime Duel Monsters has always been very different from the IRL game of Yugioh. In this series especially, because they've scaled back the powercreep dramatically and people are using very low-stat monsters with no special summoning conditions to them. That's just how the game is in that world, and therefor it is a big deal of being able to inherently summon to many monsters.

Even in Vrains it's seen as impressive when someone manages to quickly fill up the board, even though that's all they do.

Yeah, I got the feeling Goha didn't particularly care about individual issues so much as using those issues to project their totalitarian control over their citizens' lives.

I am getting a really, really creepy vibe from this series. Like, bright and shiny exterior, plotlines about corporate dictatorship and regulation of all aspects of life on the inside.

x3 hey, its a good form of stress relief.

So basically like Zexal and Arc V.

EDIT : removed all that since it's better suited in the general YGO thread

Anyway, as we all know, Romin is dueling next......which is kind of unexpected since with her indifference towards dueling, you'd thought she won't duel for a while.

And we still don't know yet what cards she have other than her ace, which itself was kinda released randomly instead of on a special pack or deck box. I wonder if she will play generic monsters, since I don't think we've seen any other music-themed monsters announced/revealed.

Also, thinking about it, as their life goes, people in the school must be eventually secretly kinda mad and Yuga and the boys, for being able to get close to Romin that easily lol

Edited by ShiningStardust on Apr 16th 2020 at 9:41:07 AM

That also interests me, because I'm curious as to who her opponent is.

If it is Yuga, we've made it clear he'll gladly take a loss in order to show the fun of dueling, and still be quite the duelist in the turns before her victory. While I also wouldn't mind a victory of him, if we're hoping for new ground, it would be nice to see a solid win for the new female character, with good plays for all.

If it is someone else, like the Council President or Rook, I'm curious to see what the conflict will be, and the back-and-forth.

Edited by Aurabolt on Apr 17th 2020 at 3:00:34 AM

I kind of agree. As one of the few people who enjoyed Yuma and the first 13 episodes pre Kite, I actually like it when they use the school setting to set up more opponents for the protagonists to deal with, especially when its time to actually share the focus (not throwing shade at GX mind you) like Yuma and Shark working together against the gang leader, getting more number cards from his teacher, getting my favorite Yuma card (Baby Tiragon).

We know from scans there's like two other duelists at their school, so I'm guessing one of them will be Gakuto's opponents.

Also, a lot of people are speculating Gakuto's secretary is a mole if Romin's a Red Herring.