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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#301: Jan 10th 2021 at 1:50:01 PM

Yeah, what happun focuses on the story leading up the final products, not the final product itself, per se. Like L A Noire is a great game but the stuff behind the scenes make it a good target.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#302: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:02:57 PM

And not every product is a failure.

I forgot which but I believe some of the videos he did covered games that didn’t end in complete disaster for their devs.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2021 at 2:34:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#303: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:32:29 PM

He covered Doom 2016, so yeah.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#304: Jan 10th 2021 at 6:57:08 PM

The point of this series isn't "Wow look at these shitty games!"

It's "Wow look at these games' shitty development cycle!"

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2021 at 10:57:17 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#305: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:01:57 PM

Man his Cyberpunk 2077 video is gonna be a hoot.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#306: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:04:52 PM

He Pannedit Now He Sucks shouldn't even be applied to him since, while he does often comment on how bad a game is, that's secondary to his goal of explaining how bad the game's development was. The games often being shitty is because their management was shitty.

The series is ultimately meant to criticize the game industry and its bullshit workplace practices, not the games themselves.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2021 at 11:05:39 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#307: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:39:09 PM

I don't whats worse the Specter of 06 or Ken Penders over the Sonic Franchise

YOUR EVIL ECHDINAS ARE LIKE MY EVIL ECHIDNAS!

This is an outrage against Luminara!
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#308: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:56:15 PM

[up]x10: Three reasons I know that you didn't watch the video: he says the game was chosen by Patreon, he admits the game was perfectly decent on its own, and nobody with any love or knowledge of the Sonic frachise can hear the name of Ken Fucking Penders without expressing how much they hate Ken "That Douchebag" Penders.

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Jan 10th 2021 at 10:56:32 AM

Does anyone actually read these?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#309: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:58:07 PM

I think it's salient to make the point that while it got decent reviews in its day the consensus around the game today isn't as rosy as those initial reviews would suggest. It's considered a pretty middling and forgettable game.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#310: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:59:08 PM

Ah a look into Bioware's future.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#311: Jan 10th 2021 at 8:28:04 PM

Finally, Ken Penders in Wha Happun

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#312: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:18:18 AM

May Ken Penders step on all the legos. I don't even care about the OG Archie continuity (The video doesn't mention that Sega was so furious with Archie's handling of that case that they eventually dropped their contract) but just the fact that this man basically singlehandedly destroyed an ongoing story that had lasted multiple decades and had the investment of countless furries fans since their childhood over a petty temper tantrum is just... Legendarily assholeish.

As for the game itself... A glimpse into a great possibility honestly. Matt was right, the dialogue in it is pretty darn charming and proves decisively that the Sonic franchise is great material to mine for character interaction.

Perhaps we'll get another Sonic RPG some day and Sega will give so few shits by then that the devs can do crazy stuff like allow the player to hook up a Crack Ship or having a character go on a long-winded tirade about the plots of every single Sonic game and wondering aloud how they could all possibly happen in a little over a year.

You are not alone.
arasokasilverwalker Since: Dec, 2020
#313: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:53:08 AM

> He Pannedit Now He Sucks shouldn't even be applied to him since, while he does often comment on how bad a game is, that's secondary to his goal of explaining how bad the game's development was. The games often being shitty is because their management was shitty.

His entire rhetoric is entirely reliant on deciding any negative claims about a game and its development must be 100% true.

It's tabloid clickbait, plain and simple. Your typical gamer excuse to cheer on rabid hatred of the people who make games.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#314: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:58:10 AM

And like others said, you clearly did not watch the vid if that is your take on it.

Also, a lot of the development info he includes in his vids is straight from said developers.

This is actually a big part of why he rarely covers Nintendo games, since Nintendo is notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to development.

Edited by M84 on Jan 12th 2021 at 4:59:40 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#315: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:03:45 AM

Stanning for Sonic Chronicles is such a weird hill to die on.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#316: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:05:24 AM

Stanning for videogame developers (as in the companies not the individual actual programmers and other employees) is a weird hill to die on in general.

We really shouldn't be defending them from any and all criticism of their shitty practices. Not only for basic human decency, but because coddling them encourages them to get worse and worse.

It's how we got Mass Effect: Andromeda. It's how we got Anthem. It's how we got Fallout 76. It's how we got Warcraft: Reforged. It's how we got Cyberpunk 2077.

Edited by M84 on Jan 11th 2021 at 5:07:08 PM

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#317: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:08:31 AM

I mean. I kinda get it because I think we've all fallen into that trap at least once even if it's dumb.

But over Sonic Chronicles?

arasokasilverwalker Since: Dec, 2020
#318: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:17:52 AM

[up][up] And as we all know as gamers, there is nothing than game developers deserve to burn in hell for more than making games that millions of people loved.

It says a lot that any sort of dissent away from the internet's love of encouraging hate and abuse towards creators is immediately "stanning." All while the same people adamantly defend to the death people like Matt McMuscles. Or the developers they adore.

Edited by arasokasilverwalker on Jan 11th 2021 at 1:19:59 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#319: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:24:09 AM

[up]When people start sending seizure inducing vids to people for praising a game developer, then you can say that.

But until then...

Edited by M84 on Jan 11th 2021 at 5:25:36 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#320: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:25:49 AM

I would...not classify any of those mentioned by M84 as widely beloved games. Cyberpunk is divisive at best and the rest are largely regarded as crap.

Also, even certain generally liked games can and have been developed under studios that let crunch, sexual misconduct, or inadequate pay and even layoffs in the workplace slide (the likes of Ubisoft, Telltale aRockstar have put out plenty of good titles but they've all been guilty of this). THAT'S what Matt condemns, the actual ethicality of where these games come from and how they get made.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#321: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:28:15 AM

Heck, one of the points of the series is that none of the individual programmers involved in making a bunch of bad games actually wanted to make a bad game. The reason the games were crap is because of shitty management.

Disgusted, but not surprised
arasokasilverwalker Since: Dec, 2020
#322: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:29:44 AM

> the rest are largely regarded as crap.

And that's what you tell yourself to justify treating people who enjoy and make things you don't like as utter shit, because you have a legion of like-minded people who say it's cool to make life hell for folks who dare to do anything you don't approve of.

And then you cheer on someone like Matt McMuscles whose career is built on encouraging hatred and negativity instead of making anything of value himself.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#323: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:30:49 AM

[up]Nobody enjoys the stress inducing crunch, the shitty leadership, and the other issues that make their jobs a lot harder than they should be.

There's a reason developers like CDPR have a high turnover rate.

Edited by M84 on Jan 11th 2021 at 5:31:49 PM

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arasokasilverwalker Since: Dec, 2020
#324: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:33:05 AM

> Nobody enjoys the stress inducing crunch, the shitty leadership, and the other issues that make their jobs a lot harder than they should be.

Which is why, the moment anyone claims such, even if they have no evidence whatsoever to support any of their claims, the sort of people you approve of immediately start abusing developers, encouraging hate towards them, and making their lives hell.

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#325: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:34:26 AM

Why is this discussion happening on Sonic Chronicles, of all games? It might not be terrible, but I'd have trouble describing it as good, never mind some masterpiece that needs defending from such scathing criticisms as having mediocre review scores and weak sales

Also, I've generally found that Matt's prone to over-selling the games he talks about


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