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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:20:04 AM

This image was downvoted in the Image Suggestion thread. Other ideas or suggestions?

I actually forgot to put in the caption suggestion (my bad), which was: "Admit it, when we say "Wolfenstein", you think of the latter, don't you?" but even with that I think it's JAFAAC.

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#4: Dec 6th 2019 at 11:27:17 PM

[up]It doesn't tell much without context. It's just the poster of two Batman movies.

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#5: Dec 7th 2019 at 8:08:43 AM

Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z was suggested in the first thread, since DBZ is very recognizable and Goku is visibly younger in the original.

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#6: Dec 7th 2019 at 6:48:07 PM

This trope looks predominantly verbal, so I'll vote a weak BUPKIS on this one.

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#7: Dec 7th 2019 at 7:47:18 PM

[up]Not sure what you mean by verbal, but maybe these Dragon Ball/DBZ posters?

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#8: Dec 7th 2019 at 7:57:13 PM

Street Fighter I and II, maybe?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/streefight_50.png

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#9: Dec 7th 2019 at 8:02:37 PM

I'd prefer Dragon Ball since it's easy to see DBZ is a sequel since the characters are older. I'd prefer both images to have Goku, and ideally Bulma, Krillin, and/or the Flying Nimbus.

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#10: Dec 7th 2019 at 8:04:36 PM

[up] But is it even an example? Is DBZ really that much more popular than DB?

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#11: Dec 8th 2019 at 12:07:05 AM

How do you show that the sequel is more popular just by putting characters/posters/whatever next to each other? I agree with it being BUPKIS.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12: Dec 8th 2019 at 4:39:17 AM

Yeah, this needs some sort of acknowledgement that the second one is more popular. Can anyone get a hold of the Street Fighter I comic mentioned in the examples?

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#13: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:04:40 AM

^ How would that help to show the skew in popularity?

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#14: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:06:00 AM

I agree with the BUPKIS votes.

Edit: See my next post.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 8th 2019 at 7:10:43 AM

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#15: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:06:35 AM

How about a comparison of sales figures, as more popular stuff usually sells more copies? Here's one idea, numbers taken from this. Probably not completely accurate as sales for I seem to be from a collection and there's no listing for the original, added +s to compensate.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/strfsd.png

Edited by Piterpicher on Dec 8th 2019 at 2:13:10 PM

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#16: Dec 8th 2019 at 5:08:19 AM

[up]Well, then I take back what I said in my previous post. Adding the sales figures is a big improvement, since my main issue was that showing things like game box art and movie posters while showing nothing else illustrates that a sequel exists, but doesn't illustrate the displacement part.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 8th 2019 at 7:10:15 AM

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#17: Dec 8th 2019 at 10:04:05 AM

Yeah, my hope was that people would think, "oh yeah, I love Street Fighter II, but what even is Street Fighter I?", granted this was partially based on an AVGN video and the image can't really demonstrate that, but that's what I was going for.

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#18: Dec 8th 2019 at 10:25:02 AM

[up][up][up]I like that, but the Street Fighter II box art should be a scan like this one instead of a photograph of the box.

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#19: Dec 8th 2019 at 10:57:56 AM

Well, I just used what I've been given by War Jay 77 and added sales figures, but if you'd rather have it that way, here it is:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/strfsd4.png

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Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#20: Dec 8th 2019 at 4:46:55 PM

I like it.

Maybe mention in the caption that SF 2 also got seven upgraded re-releases (Champion Edition, Turbo, Super, Super Turbo, Hyper, HD Remix, Ultra), two TV series, and a movie; whereas SF 1 got jack squat.

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#21: Dec 8th 2019 at 4:48:01 PM

Yeah, maybe we need more stats.

Also, minor gripe, but the gray text is hard to read on Night Vision...

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#22: Dec 9th 2019 at 3:29:26 AM

[up]In that case, the bottom part of the image probably shouldn't be transparent.

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#23: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:44:41 AM

Or give the text a white/light gray outline.

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#24: Dec 9th 2019 at 12:08:14 PM

I think I've got the perfect font color which will allow us to keep transparency: 848484. I used 444444 previously which I agree may not be the best, but this should keep readability in both modes. Hey, 84x3 is used on Sequel Escalation's text (don't worry, I've left my gripes with that pic behind).

As for other data, I don't see a way to incorporate it into the pic without making it look tacky. Maybe "Legacy: Occasional appearance in collection re-releases | Several updated versions, an OVA, a cartoon, a movie, and more", but that may be better for the caption.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tgscidk.png

Edited by Piterpicher on Dec 9th 2019 at 9:21:15 PM

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#25: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:07:34 PM

[up] [awesome] Bingo. That'd be a great caption, IMO.

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