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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#276: Dec 28th 2019 at 4:53:57 PM

....Also, I bet somewhere Karen Traviss is giving a Triumphant fist pump

Considering how much of a beating Mandalorians overall seem to be taking in the series and its background - just look at the pile of Mandalorian armour - I very much doubt that.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Dec 28th 2019 at 1:54:33 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#277: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:15:15 PM

Good point.

I figured a series about how awesome the Mandalorians are with one as the main character and no Jedi in sight would be well liked by her, but I guess she doesn't have as much reason to celebrate as I thought.

But considering how crazy she went for the Mandos, making them so much better than the Jedi at every opportunity and all that, maybe it's not such a bad thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#278: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:32:12 PM

Travis’ thing was portraying the Mandos as unstoppable invincible badasses & paragons of absolute moral righteousness. Neither of which this show does at all.

Instead this show portrays the Mandos as an absolutely beaten down people purged & forced into hiding as the laughingstock of the galaxy with Din himself struggling every step of the way just to survive even with his Mando equipment & skills at his disposal.

None of which would ever get a standing ovation from her.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 28th 2019 at 5:36:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#279: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:40:26 PM

Well that's good right?

I mean, it's agree that she loved them a bit too much so even if you like the Mandolorians, seeing that portrayal get shut down is a bonus.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#280: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:48:21 PM

Yes of course it’s a good thing.

Anything to get away from her fetish for military men is a praiseworthy action.

This is the same woman who said she would reboot the Mandos back to what she would want after what Clone Wars did to them despite the fact she would never be able to do such a thing.

So anything that pisses her off is again an incredible thing because she is a Goddamn prick.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 28th 2019 at 5:52:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#281: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:49:31 PM

Then all is good in the world.

Merry Christmas!

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#282: Dec 28th 2019 at 5:58:23 PM

I remember actually liking that series in my teen years when I was young and stupid. It was only after I really got to take a good look at it that I realized how much Traviss wanked all the Mandalorians off.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#283: Dec 28th 2019 at 6:35:43 PM

There’s a certain, for lack of a better term, “edgelord” quality to the Mandalorians under Traviss, military men out of an 80’s action movie with big guns, cool armor, and being all about war contrasting with hippie space wizards. It’s so counter to the regular protagonists of Star Wars it’s easy to see why she ran with it...and why running with it is a terrible idea.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
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#284: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:24:15 PM

I've been looking up stuff on Traviss, and....had a realization.

She hates the jedi that aren't her own, kills off Charachters In disrespectful ways(What she did to Mara Jade) Can'tTakeCriticism?

She's exactly what people act like Rian Jonson is.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#285: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:30:27 PM

Except Rian Johnson has a lot more respect for the characters (aside from Snoke, but nobody respected Snoke).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#286: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:31:37 PM

What really bothers me is how she villainized the Jedi because they commanded the clones.

But the clones weren’t even their idea, it was Palpatine’s. The Jedi were comscoirged into the war as commanders & they were given the clones to lead as their soldiers. The clones were never their idea in the first place & they only commanded them because they were ordered too.

Hell in plenty of cases the Jedi were practically the clones only friends because the Jedi did their best to treat them humanly & with compassion out of a desire to not treat them like tools.

Yet she apparently missed the mark there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#287: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:32:07 PM

Not only does it take place years after his death, as we already established earlier, Boba isn't even really a Mandalorian. He just has the armor.

Eeeh.

Whether they are or aren’t, they still claim to be so they still have ties to Mandalore.

Din is only a Mandalorian via how he was raised, he wasn’t born on Mandalore either.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#288: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:36:04 PM

But Din was actually raised by a group of Mandalorians & heavily immersed in their culture.

While Boba since a young age grew up completely disconnected from the culture with bounty hunters like Aura Sing being responsible for his formative years. His ties to the Mandos are very skin-deep.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 28th 2019 at 8:42:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#289: Dec 28th 2019 at 8:40:44 PM

It’s be interesting if - should they actually have a surviving Boba show up - Boba is an antagonist who, among other things, the Mando dislikes him because he wears the armor simply because his father wore it and has otherwise might have zero respect for the culture.

Come to think, it’d be neat if Boba got his armor by killing a Mandalorian, or pretending to join a clan then abandoning them.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 28th 2019 at 8:43:17 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#290: Dec 28th 2019 at 9:11:44 PM

[up]I really hope this final batch of Clone Wars episodes addresses it.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
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#291: Dec 28th 2019 at 9:38:27 PM

I always thought Boba just repainted his dad's Armour.

I...still think Jango and Boba not being Mandalorians was a stupid idea, as a You Tube comment said "Its like kicking out the guys who started the band"

Edited by Kylotrope on Dec 28th 2019 at 9:41:15 AM

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#292: Dec 28th 2019 at 10:28:12 PM

Jango was definitely a Mandalorian, and would presumably have raised Boba in the culture if he hadn't died. But Jango's bounty hunter buddies adopted Boba instead of more Mandalorians, and they didn't know anything about the culture besides "cool armor, good at fighting."

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#293: Dec 28th 2019 at 10:50:23 PM

I mean, apparently Mandalorian officials claimed he was nothing more than a bounty hunter who stole his armor.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#294: Dec 28th 2019 at 11:21:49 PM

Well you have to also take into account The Mandalorians have a bad case of No True Scotts Man

The real problem is even if Clone wars/Rebels was more open about taking the bits from the EU they wanted to keep Its kinda weird in a writing around trademarks sort of way.

Almec dismisses Jango as a mere bounty hunter... even though he's in league with the Death Watch aka a complete wholesale reference to Jango's entire backstory

Yes yes I know The Baron is the one who insisted they weren't mandalorians... Well of course not, The Baron just gave them cool armor its everybody else who took the visual and ran with the idea that there was culture behind it...

I mean if you want to be Technical NO ONE is a true mandalorian cause they aren't Not-Predators that got pushed off of the original Mandalore... this little planet they renamed Coruscant *which really paints all those ancient Mando crusades to take planet in another light'

This is an outrage against Luminara!
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#295: Dec 29th 2019 at 1:42:20 AM

I'd have dismissed it as BS myself if it wasn't for the fact that behind the scenes it was because Lucas wanted to retcon it so Jango wasn't a mandalorian

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#296: Dec 29th 2019 at 3:32:05 AM

Its literally one of those things you'd have to just ask The Baron why he felt that needed to be definitive.

then again, GL thought Two Anakins running around would be too confusing.

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Dec 29th 2019 at 5:34:33 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#297: Dec 29th 2019 at 8:59:17 AM

Idea for an in-universe product:

Mando-Milk: This is the whey

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#298: Dec 29th 2019 at 10:24:14 AM

That's been true for Mandalorians even in the old EU, though. They're a culture, not a race, they take in anyone.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#299: Dec 29th 2019 at 12:54:48 PM

I'd have dismissed it as BS myself if it wasn't for the fact that behind the scenes it was because Lucas wanted to retcon it so Jango wasn't a mandalorian

While that’s true, Lucas is no longer the authority on the story. Disney is.

So Jango Fett and Boba Fett are still in the zone of “maybe Mandalorian, maybe not but they’ll still tell people they are”.

I mean, apparently Mandalorian officials claimed he was nothing more than a bounty hunter who stole his armor.

They’d have an interest in saying that whether true or false.

Edited by MadSkillz on Dec 29th 2019 at 12:58:06 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#300: Dec 29th 2019 at 1:03:39 PM

[up]Considering Jango worked for the Separatists, yeah, I would want to wash my hands off the guy as well.

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