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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#201: Dec 10th 2022 at 10:00:03 PM

The CG work is exquisite in both of the Diablo IV trailers. Of course, rendered trailers being nonindicative of gameplay has been a problem for a long time. Here the important element is the story, as we learn that Inarius is apparently invading the Burning Hells to confront Lilith.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#202: Dec 11th 2022 at 7:11:38 AM

I'm very curious as to how HE got out as well. We saw how Lilith was released, but what the hell did someone do to get Inarius free? He's been held prisoner by Mephisto for millennia.

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#203: Dec 11th 2022 at 7:20:34 AM

Yeah, but Mephisto is sort of perma-dead now, or at least that's the impression I got from the events of the last game.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#204: Dec 11th 2022 at 7:32:20 AM

The Prime Evils are alive and free thanks to Malthael messing with the Black Soulstone.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#205: Dec 11th 2022 at 1:57:56 PM

Mephestio was either "imprisoned" on Sanctuary or dead for quite a number of years. More than enough time for Inarius to slip from whatever cell he was caged in.

However I suspect that Mephisto set Inarius free deliberately. Mephisto is likely absolutely terrified of what Lilith could do now that she's free and has apparently amassed some power within Hell, and he figures that Inarius is the one with the best chance of actually defeating her.

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#206: Dec 11th 2022 at 2:00:12 PM

How is Lilith so strong, though? She's not a Prime Evil or even a Lesser Evil. By all accounts she's just an ordinary demon, as Inarius is an ordinary angel. Why should Mephisto be scared of her?

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 11th 2022 at 5:00:51 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#207: Dec 11th 2022 at 2:07:34 PM

-quickly glances at the wiki to brush up on Diablo's deepest lore-

I mean,she is Mephisto's daughter,maybe he should afraid of her in case she wants to become a prime evil?

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 11th 2022 at 10:08:44 AM

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#208: Dec 11th 2022 at 3:07:16 PM

Or maybe he's afraid of her because her hold over humanity can potentially be leveraged into gaining ground in Hell.

Edited by amitakartok on Dec 11th 2022 at 12:07:36 PM

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#209: Dec 11th 2022 at 3:11:51 PM

She is the queen of succubi after all

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#210: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:13:18 PM

Lilith's capability was never really a matter of raw power. She's not entirely lacking in that department, but she likely couldn't match a Prime Evil in a direct contest.

What she can do is think so far outside the box that she might be able to completely overturn the board. Unleashing the power of the Nephilim and using them against both the angels and demons is something she may be working towards.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#211: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:15:28 PM

That was her original plan for Sanctuary after all. While Inarius wanted to hide out in Sanctuary, Lilith intended to use it and the children she would sire with Inarius to win the war.

Edit:

Knowing that, the recent trailer is full of irony. Inarius is the one on the warpath leading an army of humans into Hell itself against Lilith.

Edited by M84 on Dec 11th 2022 at 8:22:05 PM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#212: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:24:57 PM

Course Lilith is being aided by her son, and there’s likely more going on considering he wasn’t a big fan of Lilith himself.

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#213: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:26:14 PM

he's such a..momma's boy!

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#214: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:28:33 PM

Rathma wasn't on good terms with Inarius either. He thought they were both terrible parents who didn't really give a shit about him or about the rest of humanity in general.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#215: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:30:03 PM

I mean it is pretty much the rule with all former heroes of Diablo is that eventually they go crazy and turn evil.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#216: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:30:06 PM

Which means something big has to be going down that he’s willing to call Lilith back, because besides using her progeny for her own goals she’s also a violent Mama Bear about her possessiveness.

He even said something about needed her to protect Sanctuary in the initial trailer too didn’t he? Or was that Nephilim in general? I should probably go back and watch it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 11th 2022 at 4:31:02 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#217: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:37:23 PM

All he says is "Blessed Mother. Save us."

As I said earlier, it's rather ironic that Inarius is the one leading a human army against Lilith, since using humans as soldiers was originally her idea. Curiously, Inarius' presence seems to almost supercharge said humans — those knights are shown easily slaughtering the charging demons with simple phalanx tactics.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#218: Dec 11th 2022 at 5:07:37 PM

They could very well be Nephelem soldiers with the Worldstone broken.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#219: Dec 11th 2022 at 7:14:54 PM

How many nephalem are there, anyway? With the Worldstone broken, I was originally under the impression that all new humans would be born nephalem, but while that was pretty much immediately disproven, it's unclear if the hero of III is the only nephalem or just the most famous. This isn't helped by gameplay, where a lot of people who probably aren't nephalem can keep up with you.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#220: Dec 11th 2022 at 7:58:01 PM

Eh, I wouldn't say that it's a matter of the soldiers in Inarius's army being all that powerful. Bastion's Keep was full of regular humans and while it was a near thing they did manage to hold out for days before the Nephalem got there in 3.

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#221: Dec 11th 2022 at 9:44:03 PM

Mephisto is supposed to be creating Zones of Hatred in IV. So he has some role.

Edited by Envyus on Dec 11th 2022 at 9:44:16 AM

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#222: Dec 11th 2022 at 11:11:19 PM

[up][up]Though admittedly there's a difference between holding out in a defensive position and outright storming the Burning Hells itself.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#223: Dec 12th 2022 at 6:43:51 PM

True. But even so with the proper discipline and positioning an army can do anything. Inarius's troops held a narrow corridor against superior numbers through judicious use of spears and phalanx tactics.

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#224: Dec 31st 2022 at 5:35:35 PM

So latest scandal earlier this month out of Blizzard (it's a day ending in y) for new years.

Diablo 4 development entering crunch, and the head writer (who wrote for the Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077) who wanted to include rape into the games story until Blizzard staff objected and the stuff was cut out.

on in 2019 to revise the game’s story, was previously creative director on the “The Witcher 3” and head writer on “Cyberpunk 2077.” His decisions were a source of turmoil for the Diablo team, some employees say. While the practice of starting work and then scrapping it if it wasn’t up to par was common at Blizzard, employees said “Diablo IV” underwent a series of particularly disturbing revisions to the script. Stępień did not respond to a request for comment.

In meetings held with Stępień, employees faced various setbacks, which delayed the story’s development for months, according to five current and former employees. Although Stępień had held a creative director title before, his background was more in cinematic directing than in game mechanics, and he approached “Diablo IV” from the perspective of taking the entire game and rewriting it himself.

In 2019, many Blizzard employees were disgusted by a version of the game’s script that repeatedly mentioned the rape of a love interest and referred to this female character as the raped woman as her primary description. Stępień had spent months working on this script, penning it in Polish and having a translator change it to English, according to several employees. Employees pleaded with leadership to revise his version of the story, saying rape had no place in a Blizzard game. Many expressed discomfort with the idea of adding rape to the game in what they considered to be an effort to make “Diablo IV” feel grittier and tonally darker than the previous game, rather than engaging with the subject in a sensitive way.

Two employees recalled to The Post a line in the 2019 version of the game’s script that was written as, “And then she was raped, brutally.” Employees would repeat the punctuation — comma, period — out loud to each other, alarmed by the direction Stępień had gone with the script.

“Rape has no place in the ‘Diablo’ universe,” said a former employee. “It’s not a thing that we should be tackling because it takes a certain amount of nuance and a deft hand.”

The “rape version,” as multiple employees called the script, was ultimately overhauled in the same year, and the female character was cut from the story.

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#225: Dec 31st 2022 at 5:54:09 PM

"Rape has no place in Blizzard"

News to everyone at Blizzard, I imagine.


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