Wrong Assumption is the supertrope: it's far more general. It's wrongly assuming about virtually anything.
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenza^ Not helping. In what way is Wrong Assumption broader? The description says it's about wrong assumptions around tropes, not anything else.
Wrong Genre Savvy should be when someone is 'Wrong' Genre Savvy, as in they think they are in say an an action movie and assume/act accordingly but its a romcom.
Wrong Assumption should be just an obviously wrong assumption and not based on genre stereotypes, one that they should be required to be punished for in some way.
Both though have the issue of people thinking 'This Is My Story and I am the protagonist' but they are not, which I would actually put in another trope.
Edited by Memers on Oct 25th 2019 at 7:55:43 AM
The description and examples were at odds from the get go
so I can only assume (perhaps wrongly so) that the creator wasn't really sure where to go with this.
Two possibilities come to mind for Wrong Assumption:
- There is Entertainingly Wrong which plays up the comedy in situations where a character is wrong while having the facts rights. There may be space for a dramatic version of it where a character is jumping to a wrong conclusion and it's played for drama (leading to a downfall etc).
- Make it all about wrong assumptions about character roles/tropes. Wrong Genre Savvy would be a sister trope that deals with the same concept for plot/genre tropes. It's not clearcut since tropes can be character and plot tropes at the same time but it would be a clearer profile from what it is now.
- Example Wrong Assumption: Bob thinks that he is the hero of the group but consistently fails to deliver and eventually settles for being the lancer.
- Example Wrong Genre Savvy: Bob is a cop who thinks he is in a Police Procedural but actually he is in a buddy-cop action-comedy.
Edited by eroock on Oct 28th 2019 at 2:47:51 AM
That is why I thought Wrong Assumption could be the supertrope of the whole Mistaken for Index.
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenza![]()
I would agree with that although I would rename Wrong Assumption and add a " to Wrong Genre Savvy so it shows up as "Wrong" Genre Savvy.
The picture for Wrong Assumption is exactly Wrong Genre Savvy, which doesn't make this easier. Wrong Assumption may be a little broader but it's more about a characters' internal deductions being wrong, consider it a companion to Sure, Let's Go with That. Wrong Genre Savvy is about a character who thinks in story conventions but forgets that tropes can be subverted or they mistake their role in the story.
Wrong Assumption definitely needs a different image then, and the examples could use a cleanup as well
PSA: a cat is not a dog
"Someone's deduction being wrong" can be a trope.
- It can be played for humor.
- It can be played as a twist, akin to Bait-and-Switch.
I think it would cause less misuse down the line if all trope and genre-related errors (plot or character) were in Wrong Genre Savvy — so of the two definitions mentioned in comment 7
Wrong Assumption would be the first and Wrong Genre Savvy would cover both the examples in the second.
Eg.
- Wrong Assumption: Bob, a detective, does a Sherlock Scan on Alice and deduces that she's the murderer. This has consequences on the plot.
- Wrong Genre Savvy: Bob thinks he's the detective in a noir story and frequently makes Sherlock Scans on the other characters. In truth, he's The Comically Serious character in a sitcom.
In this case it should probably get a rename to emphasize the plot-relevance of the wrong deduction. Something like Tragically Misguided Assumptionnote . And of course a rewrite of the description and sorting of examples. But that's all TRS stuff.
Edited by eroock on Oct 28th 2019 at 12:12:36 PM
I was hoping Entertainingly Wrong could cover this if played for laughs.
In any case, there's definitely an issue with the descriptions being similarly trope-focused. Should we do a wick check for Wrong Assumption before shipping it off to the Trope Description Improvement Drive?
Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 30th 2019 at 11:44:35 AM
Did a quick wick check.
Wick check for Wrong Assumption
- BettyAndVeronica.LiveActionTV: Character assumes she's in a Love Triangle when she's really a Hopeless Suitor
- Characters.JaneTheVirgin: Assumes wrong role in the story (protagonist vs villain)
- ComicBook.FunHome: Assumes wrong role and genre (heroine in drama vs comic relief in tragedy)
- Fanfic.ReactWatchBelieveYikes: Assumes wrong genre of Show Within a Show
- Literature/Bunnicula: Wrong about role in the story (assumes they're the Arch-Enemy to a vampire)
- Literature/Spellfall: Wrong about type of story (doesn't believe magic exists)
- VideoGame/ReaderRabbit (first entry): Thinks they are the hero in a rescue story
- AttackOnTitan.TropesSToZ: Wrong about the mechanisms of a superpower
- Characters.ArifuretaFromCommonplaceToWorldsStrongest: Wrong about someone's power level
- Characters.BewareTheBatman: Wrong about the nature of a relationship, character assumes it's Dating Catwoman but example doesn't clarify if she's aware of the trope
- Characters.BlackkatsReverse: Wrong about why someone is at a location
- Characters.DannyPhantomOthers: Assumes someone is a villain with no mention of trope awareness
- Characters/DeptfordMice: Wrong about someone's mother and their morality
- Characters/DigimonWorldInfamyDemonLords: Wrong about power level
- Characters.Freezing: Wrong battle decision, mentions someone is a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds but doesn't mention trope awareness
- Characters/GranblueFantasyEventAntagonists: Wrong about someone being a thug
- Characters/IWasASwordWhenIReincarnated: Wrong about someone's power level
- Characters/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles: Wrong about someone being alive
- Characters.MyWifeIsADemonQueen: Wrong decision during battle
- Characters/NidomeNoYuusha: Wrong about someone's motives and power level
- Characters.PersonaOneLastPromise: Wrong about someone's identity, and mistaking something for a love letter
- Characters.ShallWeDateNinjaShadow: Wrong about someone's identity
- Characters/StarWarsAnakinSkywalker: Wrong about someone's motives
- Characters.Veep: Wrong about what someone meant during a phone call
- Characters.WithThisRingSupportingCharacters: Wrong about the nature of a relationship
- ComicBook.DuckTales: Wrong about someone's motives, and about how brainwashing can be cured
- ComicBook/RedDaughterOfKrypton: Wrong about superpower usage
- Fanfic.ButYouGottaGetUpAtLeastOnceMore: Wrong about someone being a character's successor
- Fanfic/LifeOreDeath: Making wrong assumptions as a consistent character trait
- Fanfic.WhatsWorseThanAVillain: Wrong deduction about who did it given witness's wording
- Film.Rose: Wrong about the reasons for someone's odd habits
- Literature.HaloContactHarvest: Wrong about several things during First Contact
- Main.MatingSeasonMayhem: Wrong about why dogs are following her
- Manga.ADayInTheLife: Wrong about harasser's identity, and the context of a gift
- Manga/MachigattaKoWoMahouShoujoNiShiteShimatta: Wrong about someone being a murderer
- Manga.SenryuGirl: Wrong about someone's nature (Face of a Thug) and another character's actions (assumes they're going through rebellious phase)
- Podcast.BigData: Wrong about who the thieves are
- Recap.AThingOfVikingsChapter13WakeupCalls: Wrong about what a society considers acceptable
- Recap.CornerGasS4E10OnePianoFourHands: Wrong about someone not being patronizing
- Recap.MashS4E2ChainOfCommand: Wrong about the source of a rash
- Recap/MashS4E5HeyDoc: Wrong about someone's motives
- Recap.MurderSheWroteS3E20TheDaysDwindleDown: Wrong assumption at a crime scene
- Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E17TheTimesTheyAreAChangeling: Thinks someone is evil
- Recap/OKKOLetsBeHeroesS3E11BigReveal: Wrong about someone being a villain
- Recap.OnceUponATimeS6E17Awake: Wrong about someone's motives
- Recap/PokemonS20E4FirstCatchInAlolaKetchumStyle: Wrong about what a mon will do next
- Recap/SupernaturalS12E01KeepCalmAndCarryOn: Wrong about the structural organization of Hunters
- Roleplay.TrustfellRoundSix: Wrong about who's a target of a hunt
- VideoGame/ReaderRabbit (second entry): Wrong about motives
- WesternAnimation.SecretMillionairesClub: Wrong about pig feeding habits
- Characters.GreysAnatomy: Doesn't give examples of wrong assumptions but says the character's brain works a mile a minute, so possibly the latter
Looks like these are overwhelmingly in favor of "wrong about anything", like the examples. So it's the description that needs an overhaul.
Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 6th 2019 at 7:20:11 AM
I'm too tied up IRL at the moment to start and maintain a TRS inquiry, but I've put the markup here
Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 6th 2019 at 7:21:59 AM

I have trouble drawing the line between Wrong Genre Savvy and Wrong Assumption. Both seem to be about characters making wrong judgments about tropes in their world.