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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM
With the talk of the Sith last page, I know it's been brought up but Palpatine is the anomaly/exception to the "rules" of the dark side and I love it. Pretty much every notable follower of the dark side finds that Being Evil Sucks. Not Sheev; being dedicated to the dark side has had zero drawbacks to him besides his appearance (which he never personally gave a damn aboutnote ). It's hilarious to think that he is literally more evil than the Son, the living personification of the Dark Side itself since the Son has a couple redeeming qualities like being more of a confused Psychopathic Manchild and Even Evil Has Loved Ones (though like Anakin he botches that up).
Ian was absolutely right that Palpatine is more evil than the Devil; not only is that effectively true in-universe, but in a way he is worse than the Dark Side itself...which feels like a Beyond the Impossible statement, but I'd argue it's still true. The consistent moral of the franchise is that the dark side ultimately brings no true happiness or satisfaction and ruins you, but good old Sheev is like "lol nope" and has never felt anything but happiness in being so evil
Agreed.
The Son is the personification of the Dark Side and the Dark Side is Imbalance.
He's motivated by love, passion, and extremes.
Palpatine isn't the Dark Side...he's just evil and I think that is an interesting type. He cannot love and is thus able to revel in his horrors.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.The only thing that sucks for Palpatine is that he gets undignified deaths. But while he's alive he loves every minute of being an evil jackass.
The Dark Side does still lead Palpatine to self-destruction since his Force Lightning tends to backfire on him though.
Edited by M84 on Jul 9th 2022 at 3:32:04 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedNah, the torment he experiences is stuff like being thrown down a reactor shaft like garbage or having his own Force Lightning melt him.
Those who follow the Dark Side tend to have undignified ends:
- Palpatine was already mentioned.
- Dooku got his head chopped off while he was helpless and on his knees. The original script would have had him begging for his life too.
- Maul got a little more dignity in his death — not much more but some — which made him an exception to this.
- Anakin doesn't count since he had already turned away from the Dark Side.
Edited by M84 on Jul 9th 2022 at 3:42:12 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI wouldn't say that carries the same spirit as the typical dark sider. Palpatine only suffers from his own evil at the very end of his life by the hands of other people. His life was ended because of the dark side, but he enjoyed every second of that life
Irrelated, but as the new Star Wars canon addressed the idea of trying to reach other galaxies (excluding the satellite dwarf galaxies like where Kamino is) yet? I know the Empire wanted to research the Unknown Regions, but they're still part of the galaxy
In Star Wars: Catalyst Tarkin says at one point that he wants the Empire to expand outside the Galaxy eventually. But that and the Kamino system are still the only times the concept of stuff outside the Galaxy are even brought up in canon.
Legends of course had the Yuuzhan Vong as a big extragalactic threat. The Grysk from the Thrawn novels seem to take some inspiration from them but as far as we know they are from the Unknown Regions.
Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 8th 2022 at 12:18:35 PM
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Every other Dark Sider also dies a Karmic Death like the one you described.
Note that out of all of them Palpatine is also the only one who dies screaming in terror at his own impending demise.
Edited by M84 on Jul 8th 2022 at 6:52:46 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedLike I said in the past page, the fact that Dark Siders meet such terrible ends, and ultimately aren't really happy or fulfilled compared to Jedi is one of the best things about following Sith characters.
Like Darth Plagueis or Bane. They are compelling and interesting enough to want to follow, but eventually you will want to root for their demise.
Also, on the facial expression thing, one of the reasons why I walked out of TFA thinking Rey Palpatine was because Sheev and her had such similar fighting styles like aggressive jabs, and a distinct growl when fighting.
It really did feel weird to have TLJ deconfirm then TROS come out and say I was right.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 8th 2022 at 8:19:46 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Yeah it's not genetic, and it's a coincidence, but I thought it was really neat that Rey and Sheev had that similarity.
Like when I saw TFA in the theaters and saw Rey fighting with that saber for the first time, I did flashback to Palpatine's fight with Windu and the other Masters.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"![]()
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Though it's worth noting that Abrams also claimed Rey wouldn't be related to any famous Star Wars character, so I'd take anything official being said about TFA with more than a grain of salt.
Honestly, had they leaned more into stuff like that instead of genetically passed down Force lightning, that would have probably worked better.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 8th 2022 at 5:57:27 PM
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Honestly, I LOVE the idea of Rey having some of Sidious's traits but expressing them in a more positive way.
Like having those people skills but instead of leading people towards the DARK SIDE, Rey uses it to bring out the best in people.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Plus she allows her anger to be channeled in protecting her friends rather than killing her enemies. Remember she used Force Lightning while trying to dig into her anger to rescue Chewie (and, fittingly enough, rather than being angry at the First Order supposedly being responsible for his death, was instead horrified at herself for supposedly killing him.)
I will say that, in hindsight, Rey being descended from Palpatine actually does seem to fit.
I'd say she seems to have a lot of ambition and a bit of anger, which she shares with Sheev. I'm not sure these traits are inherited but I still think it works.
Admittedly she isn't quite what I'd expect a "Good Descendent of Sheev" to be like, though I do think it makes sense in hindsight.
Personally, what I'd have gone for with a "Good Palpatine" is a Chessmaster character. Someone a bit like Shikamaru.
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Yeah, as I said, it could have worked, if handled better. The whole "she can do Force lightning because genetics" thing was pretty silly, considering Force lightning's basically a sign of Dark Side mastery.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 8th 2022 at 9:34:17 PM
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyPretty much.
It's why I don't mind that they've taken a break from that specific era for a while - the more time they spend on properly planning where to go from there the better, honestly.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 8th 2022 at 9:39:03 PM
We learn from history that we do not learn from history

Rey’s killing mode duckface is actually foreshadowing.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 7th 2022 at 11:05:45 AM