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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#21201: Jul 7th 2022 at 1:24:09 AM

Or maybe they just were not that mad and sent people after him out of obligation, they just knew he would find some way to get out of it

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21202: Jul 7th 2022 at 1:58:03 AM

Han's change didn't bother me because he has the most reason to be emotionally devastated by events aside from Leia and she had the Resistance to turn to.

Okay, here's the problem - you're arguing that it makes total sense "within the story".

Which doesn't really have anything to do with my argument of "They shouldn't have done this in the first place". I'm not arguing that Han turning back to smuggling out grief is completely unrealistic, I disagree with the writers doing this in the first place.

Something making sense within the story doesn't make something a good decision from a meta decision.

And ultimately, the sequels engaged in the tired sequel habit of tearing down the previous generation to prop up the new one, which kinda turns Disney's claim that the movies would be a "passing of the torch" into false advertising.

Nevermind that the new generation doesn't come out of the whole thing looking that good either. tongue

I think this will always be the main thing holding back the sequels compared to the other trilogies in the long run: The fact that they basically went scorched earth on the setting to mimic what we've already experienced.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#21203: Jul 7th 2022 at 3:00:53 AM

Can we have something else to discuss other than bashing the ST for once?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21204: Jul 7th 2022 at 3:03:26 AM

[up]

"For once"? People regularly talk about other stuff as well in here.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#21205: Jul 7th 2022 at 3:06:33 AM

[up]Yes, but this sort of conversation is borderline caustic in nature over the ST. Yes, it made misteps, but what good does it to repeat them over and over again?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#21206: Jul 7th 2022 at 3:07:51 AM

Convos are cyclical

Sure we come back to it but we'll move on soon

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21207: Jul 7th 2022 at 4:11:33 AM

Hot take, but I think Star Wars would benefit from focusing on the Sith and Dark Side of the Force more in the main projects in the future.

Like all the stuff featuring them like the Vader comics have been well received.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#21208: Jul 7th 2022 at 4:20:09 AM

There's the Acolyte for that.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#21209: Jul 7th 2022 at 4:28:26 AM

I can't see them copying the comics yet. There's probably still some TCW or Rebels characters to turn into live action yet.

Immortal Ahsoka's adventures in the post sequel era probably.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21210: Jul 7th 2022 at 4:31:22 AM

[up][up] Isn’t the lady behind the 2018 Heathers behind that one?

Edit: Wait I was wrong on this.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 7th 2022 at 7:33:44 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#21211: Jul 7th 2022 at 6:32:43 AM

eck

What we need is some Old school Rouge Squadron Commando BS

Praise be to the absolute Queen
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21212: Jul 7th 2022 at 6:41:46 AM

A Sith movie shouldn't glamorize the Sith or focus on the cool Force powers.

They should be more like American Psycho. Show enough of a Sith's thought processes to really highlight what a fucked up person a Sith is.

Disgusted, but not surprised
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#21213: Jul 7th 2022 at 7:41:43 AM

Obi Wan sure loves Mustafar's lava otters. Hope Vader didnt do anything to the poor things while building his castle.

Context is Ewan Macgreggor looking at sea otters while Anakin is rambling for some reason, there, is that fine?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21214: Jul 7th 2022 at 7:52:45 AM

[up][up] Yeah, those are the best types of Sith stories.

Initially present them as cool and better than those lame Jedi, then gradually show that their ideology is just a pretty terrible and impractical one in the long run, and no Sith is ever truly happy no matter how much UNLMITED POWER they have. And then die horribly.

This is why the Korriban section in KOTOR is one the best Star Wars moments for me personally, and why games like Tyranny are very compelling.

Because they demonstrate the fallacy of evil and how it will fall in perfect detail.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#21215: Jul 7th 2022 at 8:03:46 AM

Oh yes indeed.

And maybe even show how they would react to someone who wishes to still love them, no matter what. Or that's unhealthy?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#21216: Jul 7th 2022 at 9:16:20 AM

More fanfic ideas expanded by this discussion:

I've previously discussed the one about an errant Apprentice of an errant line of Sith becoming enlightened, ditching the Dark Side (she wasn't that good at it in the first place) and deciding to found her own order of space wizards based on the principles of, well, being a wizard.

Her philosophy consists of "Avoid the madness of the Sith but don't feel like you have to be a monk like the Jedi. Do not try to master the Force, nor allow yourself to be absorbed by Its Will. Master yourself, and master your connection to the Force, and then make your own path in life. Teach others, for it is in teaching that true mastery is attained."

Of course, there is much discussions about:

  • "Jedi means something specific, and we're not Jedi. We're just wizards, Magi."
  • "We are not Gray Jedi. We haven't balanced Light and Dark within ourselves because there is no such thing as the Light Side. There is the Dark Side and there is not being a lunatic."
  • "Jedi make wonderful neighbors but I wouldn't wish being one on anyone. They have achieved a Oneness with the Force, a stillness that is in perfect harmony with the universe. Great for everyone else, but it's a terrible burden to bear. I feel it strips you of something fundamentally sapient."
  • "We have to have lightsabers. They're incredibly useful tools, and weapons, if you have the ability to use them, which we do. But more importantly, they're symbols. Nobody will take us seriously without them, just look at the Nightsisters."

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#21217: Jul 7th 2022 at 9:32:59 AM

Well speakig of Sith, I was just thinking about that there is still one story about Darth Maul that has not been told yet: How he went from the leader of Crimson Dawn to being stranded on Malachor.

We last saw him as leader when he called Qi'ra in 10 BBY and her recent appeariances in the comics have revealed that she received combat training from him and took the organization over when he dissappeared.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#21218: Jul 7th 2022 at 9:50:42 AM

[up]

Huh.

Filling the remaining gaps of Maul’s story might be a good opportunity to maybe incorporate some of the Lucas version of what the sequel trilogy would have been and tell a new story.

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#21219: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:31:34 AM

Theory: Qi'ra beat him in a fight fairly.

I know it sounds ridiculous, but it should be noted that Cad Bane can fight against two Jedi Masters, so it would not be so incredible.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#21220: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:36:47 AM

Qira has also declared outright war on Vader, so something tells me her ultimate fate will not be pleasant…

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#21221: Jul 7th 2022 at 1:18:00 PM

Okay, here's the problem - you're arguing that it makes total sense "within the story".

You are not wrong, HOWEVER, there's actually a decent counterargument here because the story premise isn't that "Han becomes a smuggler again." It's, "Okay, Leia and Han's son becomes a radicalized ISIS/Alt-Right school shooter Neo-Nazi."

Which is a central part of TFA.

You need to show both parents react to that and for it to mean something, it does have to have a massive affect on both.

Him becoming a smuggler again because it destroys him isn't a BAD story even if it's not a FUN story.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 7th 2022 at 1:18:08 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#21222: Jul 7th 2022 at 8:46:35 PM

I'm just here to pop up and say: who wants to compare shooting faces among Skywalkers?

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#21223: Jul 7th 2022 at 9:41:03 PM

I get the impression some of these faces are...conveniently timed snapshots? Like, if you freeze frame at a certain point in a lot of facial expressions you can get something goofy.

But among those picture, obviously Padme, 100%.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21224: Jul 7th 2022 at 9:46:37 PM

Luke looking so... eager becomes even funnier when you remember Mark Hamill's later voice work. tongue

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#21225: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:56:43 PM

It's the nature of the internet, frame by frame analysis until they find something they can poke fun at.

I'm reminded that it's near impossible to think that they didn't cast Daisy Ridley for the express purpose of foreshadowing Rey as being a Skywalker. However you look at it, it's like setting up an alley-oop and deflecting off the rim.

Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.

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