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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21101: Jul 4th 2022 at 2:30:46 PM

What makes the Chiss so special that they are an ally of the Empire instead of being subjugated like the rest of the aliens?

Do they have like a super-powerful military or what?

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#21102: Jul 4th 2022 at 2:35:21 PM

It helps when you're in the Unknown Regions that are extremely hard to navigate through hyperspace.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#21103: Jul 4th 2022 at 2:39:47 PM

At least in Legends, what we know about the native civilizations of the Unknown Regions is that they’re a perpetual squabble of species-based fiefdoms. Chiss, Ssi-ruuk, Rakata remnants, Yevetha, Ebruchi, Nagai and more all at other’s throats constantly.

The Chiss are typically the big cheese out there (though they slip on occasion) so yeah, useful friends to have.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#21104: Jul 4th 2022 at 2:40:39 PM

They saw the Empire as a potential ally against a species called the Grysk, who might be a canon version of the Yuuzhan Vong. They are hyped up as actually posing a potential threat to the Empire.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 4th 2022 at 11:44:07 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21105: Jul 4th 2022 at 3:21:43 PM

Yevetha

The Yevetha were actually in the Deep Core, not the Unknown Regions.

Honestly, Empire-Chiss relations always low-key reminded of me of Rome's and China's few attempts to build some sort of diplomatic relationship (hilariously, the states between the two kept sabotaging that for obvious reaosns) - they're the big empires in their respective parts of space, so there's probably at least some grudging respect.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 4th 2022 at 12:24:33 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21106: Jul 4th 2022 at 9:08:00 PM

At least in Legends, what we know about the native civilizations of the Unknown Regions is that they’re a perpetual squabble of species-based fiefdoms. Chiss, Ssi-ruuk, Rakata remnants, Yevetha, Ebruchi, Nagai and more all at other’s throats constantly.

When you put it that way, it almost sounds like the Unknown Regions were specifically designed to be used in the case that someone wanted to write stories with a more traditional sci-fi approach to alien races and conflicts, vs Star Wars' typically more "global community"-inspired conflicts.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 4th 2022 at 9:10:05 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21107: Jul 4th 2022 at 11:50:21 PM

On the bit about retcons to Palpatine, it does help he was established as the evil sorcerer emperor who Vader bows to, not the powerless puppet leader.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#21108: Jul 5th 2022 at 12:01:00 AM

[up][up]Is also help to seen more strange and weird alien rather than the "normalize" one.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#21109: Jul 5th 2022 at 12:40:16 AM

A lot of this discussion fills my head with ideas:

Rey Skywalker founds no new Jedi Order. Instead, she goes around playing Knight-Errant, with a double bladed lightsaber, and inspires various groups of force users to take up the cause. Many of them call themselves Jedi, and those she approves of she actually shares copies of the Jedi Scrolls.

The Order founded by Poe, Rey's most direct apprentice, remains the largest and most respected of them. However, they are heavily schismed, with stark disagreements between them of what it means to be a "Jedi". Rey inadvertently acts as the glue that holds them all together via her example but she either doesn't realize it or refuses to acknowledge it. When she passes, the whole thing falls apart soon after.

This fits in with my idea of a balkanized future galaxy where every microstate has their own small order of force users and all of them are calling the other orders names, like Dark Jedi or Sith. Like competing papal states calling the other Anti-Popes.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21110: Jul 5th 2022 at 12:44:03 AM

Why is Poe her apprentice? As far as we know he isn’t Force-sensitive unlike Finn who is.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21111: Jul 5th 2022 at 12:49:09 AM

My take would be that Rey doesn't start out trying to found a new Jedi Order. Only it happens anyway since she inspires other Force Users to join her as she goes around helping people in the Galaxy. She won't realize what has happened until the first time someone actually calls her "Master Jedi".

And then she panics and contacts Luke's Force Ghost because she doesn't have any clue how to rebuild the Jedi Order. The bemused Luke then advises her to just keep helping people with her friends and to not be too hung up on the formalities.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21112: Jul 5th 2022 at 1:00:27 AM

Since Filoni put his foot down on her still being alive, maybe Grandma Ahsoka will also come back and lend her wisdom to rebuild the Order.

Ahsoka as the new Yoda, that would actually be pretty cool.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21113: Jul 5th 2022 at 1:04:59 AM

Ahsoka would probably give the same advice — to not get hung up on the formalities and just be your best self. She is someone who left the Order, refusing the chance to return after growing disillusioned with it, but still fought the good fight.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21114: Jul 5th 2022 at 2:09:47 AM

I do think the Jedi Order was right in having some kind of set rules and codes to help guide force users to using their powers selflessly and not give in to the temptation of the dark side.

Sure keeping things casual may help in some ways like easing up the leadership difficulties but force users are notoriously prone to falling to the dark side and fucking up the galaxy so we need some kind of guideline.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#21115: Jul 5th 2022 at 2:14:49 AM

There has to be some standards and order.

You can't just let any chuckle-fuck do whatever the fuck they want after all. Especially with this much power that is dependent on one's emotional state that is at risk of getting drunk with power.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#21116: Jul 5th 2022 at 2:21:55 AM

Why is Poe her apprentice? As far as we know he isn’t Force-sensitive unlike Finn who is.

Finn's force sensitive?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#21117: Jul 5th 2022 at 3:16:40 AM

Thinking about it, Palpatine was pretty smart/lucky he told Anakin and only Anakin the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis because any other Jedi would be wondering why the Chancellor knows a legend about a Sith Lord that the Jedi don't talk. Hell, the Jedi themselves probably don't even know of Plagueis's existence.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#21118: Jul 5th 2022 at 3:29:53 AM

@Tuckerscreator Cause I got them mixed up

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21119: Jul 5th 2022 at 9:40:21 AM

Rey Skywalker founds no new Jedi Order. Instead, she goes around playing Knight-Errant, with a double bladed lightsaber, and inspires various groups of force users to take up the cause. Many of them call themselves Jedi, and those she approves of she actually shares copies of the Jedi Scrolls.

This is more or less what I want more for Rey as well, seeing as we already have a "last survivor starts a new Jedi Order" character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 5th 2022 at 9:40:39 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#21120: Jul 5th 2022 at 9:52:36 AM

Except Luke didn't.

They had him do it and it failed miserably so we should have Luke being a Knight Errant so his actions weren't pointless.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21121: Jul 5th 2022 at 9:59:37 AM

Yeah, torching Luke's Jedi Order will always be one of the most bone-headed decisions Disney made.

It's a prime example of the sequels having this whole "We're gonna destroy everything the OT characters archieved to prop up our new characters instead" vibe. :|

And as I mentioned before, it doesn't help that Legends did handle it better overall, where Luke's Jedi Order ultimately ends up to be a much looser organisation in general.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 5th 2022 at 7:02:27 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21122: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:07:52 AM

On the above point, is it actually true that Disney has to pay Lucas for using his characters?

That's something that gets brought up when people want to argue that Disney is deliberately sabotaging the legacy characters to prop up the new.

Particularly Luke.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#21123: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:12:13 AM

I mean, it kinda tends to be a sequel thing that you, uh, somewhat bully the old heroes if they're still around in some form. tongue

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#21124: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:12:18 AM

@windleopard There are explanations for that other than Palpatine being a Sith Lord. For example, a history buff might know things about the Sith that a Jedi might not.

Palpatine also says that "It's not a story the Jedi would tell you", which isn't necessarily the same as saying that the Jedi don't know the story or even that the story is hard to find. He could be trying to insinuate the Jedi were covering up the story.

Ironically if the Jedi did know the story it'd arguably be in their interests to tell it to the Jedi because it has an Alternate Aesop Interpretation about the futility of the pursuit of power without morality.


[up][up]I highly doubt that, for a few reasons. There's no shortage of appearances by Lucas-era characters in canon.

Moreover, "torching the characters" is using them. If they didn't want to play Lucas money, they wouldn't be torching them. They'd avoid using them at all. They'd just do a timelapse a century or two in the future and say "Yeah, they're long dead"

Edited by Protagonist506 on Jul 5th 2022 at 10:16:03 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21125: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:14:50 AM

On the above point, is it actually true that Disney has to pay Lucas for using his characters?

No. He sold them the entire thing. If Disney had tried to kill the OT characters to avoid royalties then they wouldn’t have made an entire series about Obi-Wan or a movie about Han Solo.


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