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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#21051: Jun 26th 2022 at 1:15:05 AM

I always felt there was a kind of, "This is meant to be one thing but has unintended consequences" of Jedi philosophy.

When a Jedi draws a weapon, it's meant to be a last resort.

So they use a weapon without a stun setting.

It's just, of course, a stun setting is probably useful.

But then it's not a last resort anymore is it?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#21052: Jun 26th 2022 at 3:22:41 AM

In the new canon, lightsabers DO have a stun setting. Putting them in training mode basically turns them into bats that give you a sunburn.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21053: Jun 26th 2022 at 3:45:47 AM

So basically how they work like in Video Games xP

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HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#21054: Jun 26th 2022 at 5:38:45 AM

There were training lightsabers in Legends too, but per most authors they had to be purpose-built that way, it wasn’t a setting any Jedi could use.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21055: Jun 26th 2022 at 9:28:06 AM

Given the ubiquity of stun modes for both guns and lightsabers, and how performance-wise they have just as much range and incapacitating ability as the lethal mode, arguably there’s not much reason for them to the lethal mode at all. Do the good guys need an AK when they have a taser with long range, works through armor, and can be fired over and over again?

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21056: Jun 26th 2022 at 9:37:14 AM

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Yeah, in Dark Rendezvous, some padawans have a contest with training lightsabers and Scout, one of the protagonists, wins a fight by grabbing her opponent's blade and not letting go.

While it's acknowledged that it was a smart idea, it's also pointed out to her that she better not try that in a real fight. [lol]

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21057: Jun 26th 2022 at 9:45:00 AM

Except if one knows Tutaminis.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21058: Jun 26th 2022 at 1:46:29 PM

Sidious is a spider confirmed. Somebody call Jon Peters.

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Barb / Temporary Kylo
#21059: Jun 29th 2022 at 6:33:38 PM

I am imagining Ian crawling around the walls spiderman style and hissing at the Heroes and I just know Ian would somehow be able to make that work.

Hail Vox Populi!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21060: Jul 3rd 2022 at 7:58:13 AM

Speaking of Sheev, it's pretty telling how the only Imperials to support him were the rich senators, corrupt businessmen, war hawk military people and war profiteer types.

I always did want to read a story of how the average Coruscant citizen's life was under Palpatine's regime.

Like we know it bad enough, that people were openly celebrating his death there.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 3rd 2022 at 11:14:43 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21061: Jul 3rd 2022 at 8:10:32 AM

Probably like North Korea. Propaganda 24/7, Imperial Agents spying on you in your home, checkpoints on every corner etc

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21062: Jul 3rd 2022 at 9:56:51 AM

There's this exchange from the Leia book about the good that Palpatine's government brought.

"As for political philosophy, all we Centrists want is to take a fair look at what aspects of the Empire actually worked. Centralizing power, creating maximum efficiency, binding the worlds of the galaxy closer together. Can you honestly say it did no good whatsoever?"

"Whatever good came of the Empire came at too high a price."

"I agree completely. But what if we could achieve some of those same benefits without repeating Palpatine's mistakes?"

Like you notice how it's all about POWER. Not if it actually improved the day to day lives of the citizens of the Empire.

I like how Rebels did the world building on just how crappy life was under the Empire.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21063: Jul 3rd 2022 at 10:26:55 AM

There was a version of Imperial propaganda that touted itself as being concerned with the common citizen. During Doctor Aphra’s comic, we meet the Empire’s Public Relations division, and they advertise the Empire being beneficial to society as a whole. They even broadcast an entire planet’s daily life by showing most of the residents having a decent time. But they consider Sidious to be mucking up their efforts because he doesn’t care about public image and his increasing militarization and superweapons makes the “we create peace” soundbytes hard to swallow,

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#21064: Jul 3rd 2022 at 10:47:39 AM

It was interesting that part of the strategy to lead to the Empire was to scare some of the more idyllic parts of the galaxy into thinking there was a threat that will reach them. Naboo was the test run, the Battle of Coruscant was said to be the only real touch of the Clone Wars most of the senators experienced and that spurred them into embracing the Imperial decree "With thunderous applause."

Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21065: Jul 3rd 2022 at 10:48:42 AM

Yeah that's working in a Sith Empire all right.

Back in SWTOR, there's these bits in the Imperial Agent story where the Agent is trying to get something done like trying to convince a Hutt Cartel to align with the Empire, and then you get a message saying a Sith Lord killed one of the Cartel member's sons for a trivial reason, and now you have to do some impromptu damage control.

What issue of Doctor Aphra BTW?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21066: Jul 3rd 2022 at 11:10:06 AM

The fourth (Worst Among Equals) and fifth (Unspeakable Rebel Superweapon) arcs concern Empire Public Relations. Issues 26-31 have Aphra trapped on the Empire’s propaganda planet, and 32-36 have her face off against the PR division itself.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 3rd 2022 at 11:12:20 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21067: Jul 3rd 2022 at 12:34:03 PM

There was a version of Imperial propaganda that touted itself as being concerned with the common citizen. During Doctor Aphra’s comic, we meet the Empire’s Public Relations division, and they advertise the Empire being beneficial to society as a whole. They even broadcast an entire planet’s daily life by showing most of the residents having a decent time. But they consider Sidious to be mucking up their efforts because he doesn’t care about public image and his increasing militarization and superweapons makes the “we create peace” soundbytes hard to swallow.

You can see that in stories like Lost Stars. The Empire entrances planets by making it sound like they're force for progress and utopia for the people, and then either make the rich richer or turn things into a hellscape when its too late for the citizens to do anything about.

In Lost Stars they pull a twofer: they get the aristocratic population of Jelucan to join up with the lure of the empire's legitimacy and superiority, and the second class citizens to join up with the promise that everyone will be equal under Imperial authority.

In then end, everyone was equal... all slaving away for the Empire's industrial complex, with only a couple exceptions rising above anything but administrative cogs.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#21068: Jul 3rd 2022 at 1:02:53 PM

Notably, the funny fact about The Lost Stars one is the 2nd class citizens would serve anyway because they're a Planet of Hats with Undying Loyalty and I Gave My Word as their hat. It's what traps our protagonist into Imperial service after she realizes the Empire is Evil with a capital E.

Legends also made the Empire a little "too" realistic an Empire. The RPG described it as, "The Core Worlds live lives relatively free of oppression with vast amounts of the wealth from the rest of its territory poured into them. Everyone else is kept divided by exploitating local racial/species unrest."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 3rd 2022 at 1:04:20 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#21069: Jul 3rd 2022 at 8:05:18 PM

Non-canon-wise, the planet Tao in Star Wars: Visions's short Lop and Ocho has the Empire promising to help Tao exploit its natural resources, but instead polluting the planet and getting rid of much of its natural beauty, causing the conflict between natives and the Empire.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#21070: Jul 4th 2022 at 6:56:04 AM

the Empire has to benefit someone other then the Moffs and the Governors

I mean How else are you gonna get Imperial sympathizers in the NR that want to help the FO cause they think the empire reclaiming dominance will help the Galaxy

I mean unless it full of rebellious Imperial Idealists/Apologists

IE people who didn't live under the Empire to remember the Dark times... So they lash out at what they deem as the inefficient NR by building up this IDEAL version of the Empire

Then the FO and Sith Eternal remind them Oh yeah AN Yone decent jumped Ship or tried too when the Empire showed That Blowing up planets was a perfectly acceptable thing to do while BORED

Praise be to the absolute Queen
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#21071: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:10:23 AM

The trick the Empire pulled on the Jelucanites is, from what I understand, pretty similar to Juche, the guiding "philosophy" of real-life North Korea - basically, one person having absolute power is actually good, because that means everyone else is equal(ly destitute and miserable) in comparison! Logic!

Ciena's character arc in that book is so fascinating. She goes from genuinely believing the Empire will be the best thing for the Galaxy; to acknowledging that they've done some really bad things but still believing they're better than the Rebellion and it can all be worth it in the end (influenced more than a little by her people's taboo against promise-breaking and her best friend blowing up with the Death Star); to realizing she was wrong, absolutely nothing can justify what the Empire does, but she's in too deep to back out so she might as well just die.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21072: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:37:13 AM

Contrast that with Nash who just gets deeper and deeper into Galactic Empire worship.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#21073: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:44:53 AM

I kind of like Operation: Cinder as it is the kind of supervillain-esque plot (that has a RL counterpart) to just make it clear what an utter shitheel Palpatine is.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#21074: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:46:02 AM

But it does kinda contrast with his plans revealed in Episode 9.

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#21075: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:47:32 AM

I really love how much character work Lost Stars manages to do with members of the Empire without ever whitewashing it. Its probably still my favorite novel to come out of the new canon.


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