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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21026: Jun 25th 2022 at 12:26:20 PM

That shows the disparity between this fandom’s view of Star Wars and the creative team. To us it looks like double-bladed lightsabers were everywhere, but to the Rise team who only the movies exist and there’s no such thing as an EU there’s only one double-blade and it’s Maul’s.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21027: Jun 25th 2022 at 12:35:47 PM

I also get the feeling that some people pretty much treat the animated series etc as "not real Star Wars".

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#21028: Jun 25th 2022 at 12:37:09 PM

I mean for most people Star Wars is the movies,which have always been in live action,I don't hold that against them if their view of Star is just the movies though,though they are missing out

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21029: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:15:10 PM

Like Cosmonaught Variety Hour stated, it was a no brainer to give Rey a double lightsaber. She's a staff user, Rian Johnson destroyed Anakin's lightsaber, and it would help give Rey her own identity.

And of the things, I liked in TLJ, it was destroying Anakin's lightsaber. I really enjoyed the symbolism of Rey and Kylo Ren fighting over it, and they break it. So they could forge their own paths.

I did some more research, and the novel states that Rey wanted a double lightsaber but she was scared of her dark side vision having one.

Which is just such a weak excuse.

[up][up] Yeah, in Hollywood, there's generally less respect given to animated media compared to live action.

Which is a shame, because Hayden actually watched the Clone Wars to get a feel for what Anakin had been through, and even took a bit of Matt Lanter's vocal performance.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 25th 2022 at 10:16:49 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21030: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:20:46 PM

I think it goes beyond not being familiar with the EUs.

The first good guy double bladed light sabers in EU came from the same situation Abrams thought he was in regarding them: Maul was the only person to have one, so do we just have them be an exclusively evil weapon or do we do something creative and show good guys using them? Examples of heroic double bladed lightsabers came from the latter mindset, Abrams chose the former mindset.

I think it's more just another example of how Abrams was often more invested in how Star Wars looks than what it could be as a story. It's very much in line with the rest of his Star Wars work for him to go "one of the most famous bad guys used this weapon, it has to be associated with that bad guy forever."

We might have seen Rey use a double bladed lightsaber if and only if he had - like - decided she was related to Maul or something. The same way he decided the perfect way to show she was related to Palpatine was to have her naturally use force lightning.

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#21031: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:30:16 PM

Or some sort of Cortorsis/whatever staff.

Or just a normal lightsaber. Those things are dangerous as is, adding another blade right behind you to make sure you don’t cut yourself- they’re not exactly easy weapons to use and have their own unwieldy and somewhat reckless problems.

Or both! Both could be nice. Lightsaber as official Jedi stuff, stronger staff for non-lethal takedowns. Jedi should have better ways to stop a situation, when it gets violent, then amputations.

Looking at you, Obi-Wan.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21032: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:31:14 PM

I thought Rey using Force Lightning meant she was related to Count Dooku.[lol]

But no seriously, assuming that's the logic JJ went with for double lightsabers, wasn't the entire point he was trying to make that just because you came from the worst possible place, doesn't mean you have to be defined by it with the whole Rey Palpatine twist?

So using a double lightsaber would help further that theme if Rey was a heroic double lightsaber user.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21033: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:32:11 PM

[up][up][up]

Almost as if Abrams doesn't actually, you know, understand Star Wars. tongue

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jun 25th 2022 at 4:32:28 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21034: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:34:34 PM

From what I can tell, JJ also has a habit of remaking movies but BIGGER.

Like the whole Rey Palpatine twist is just the same thing with Vader and Luke. It's bigger in the sense that Rey is now related to THE Big Bad of the series and Vader's boss.

He also did something similar with Star Trek but I don't watch that so IDK.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21035: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:43:34 PM

I've generally come to believe that Abrams just isn't great at adaptations in general. At adaptations, he's mostly concerned with what the work he's adapting looked like: he grabs what's iconic, what's well remembered, what's memetic and he throws that against the screen - emphasizing repetition of ideas people remember, and bigger showings of ideas they're used to with flashier, more bombastic delivery.

Which is great if you watch movies for the spectacle of the film. All of his movies - even TROS - are great popcorn films, and he's phenomenal at the things that make a story engaging from moment to moment. But it's not so great if you're watching the films because you're actually invested in the overall story or the characters (even his own characters in the setting, sometimes), which people coming to see adaptations tend to be. This came back to bite both Star Trek and Star Wars, especially Star Wars because Star Trek - at least - is a film adaptation of a television based franchise whose existing story was still given attention elsewhere, whereas Star Wars is a narrative largely contained within the films - making each film a new chapter rather than a separate adaptation.

The best description I've ever heard of his Star Wars movies is that they feel like films about Star Wars rather than continuations of Star Wars' story, and... yeah. They're films designed to constantly make you feel excited that you, the fan, also experienced the original thing the film is referencing at any given time.

Abrams is way better at doing his thing when they're his original creations, where he can weave his focuses and genre throwback nature into the story and world he's trying to create from the ground up. Though even then, he rarely does sequels and ongoing stories.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 25th 2022 at 7:50:40 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21036: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:45:14 PM

To paraphrase Roger Ebert, he knows when something is iconic but not why.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#21037: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:48:59 PM

The funny thing is lightsaber pikes which are more spear like have been established and that would have been the perfect weapon for Rey

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21038: Jun 25th 2022 at 7:54:15 PM

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But that'd require the director to actually learn about the franchise he's making a movie in.

If they ever make more Star Wars movies, I hope that whoever gets to direct them will mandated to actually talk to the Story Group etc.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jun 25th 2022 at 4:57:36 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21039: Jun 25th 2022 at 8:26:06 PM

I dunno, RJ and Patty Jenkins left supposedly because they would be beholden to the story group.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21040: Jun 25th 2022 at 8:35:48 PM

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I fail to see the problem there. tongue

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#21041: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:05:21 PM

It's a careful balance that is not easy to achieve. You want to entice talented filmmakers to have the option of contributing their voice to the franchise, but there still needs to be quality control to make sure that filmmaker doesn't decide to Torch the Franchise and Run. One way or the other, TLJ was intended to stir up some contention. But the pattern of the sequels was set by Abrams, who seemed more concerned hitting some Star Wars check marks over having a clear idea where the story and characters were headed.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21042: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:07:09 PM

As I said before, for all his flaws one thing George Lucas had was an overarching vision.

You kinda need that in a franchise like Star Wars - I still have no idea why Disney thought that having a trilogy made by three different directors (well, two after they decided to instead drag Abrams back into the seat for TROS) was somehow a good idea.

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#21043: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:20:40 PM

That's part of hitting the Star Wars check marks, the original trilogy had three different directors so they will too. It was a similar PR move when they talked about the wonders of physical sets and props when the prequels probably had more in one film than the others combined note .

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21044: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:22:46 PM

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Yeah, but again, the OT also had one person with an overarching vision: George Lucas.

Meanwhile, Disney just let the sequel directors spiral off in their own directions.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21045: Jun 25th 2022 at 10:01:42 PM

I think Lawrence Kasdan was the one who recommended the different director approach for each movie, because he felt that it was how the OT was successful since each movie was directed by a different director.

But he forgot that Lucas still gave the overall vision for the OT.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#21046: Jun 25th 2022 at 10:15:43 PM

I'm reminded Abrams Star Trek films also white-washed Khan in the second film

That was certainly a thing

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 25th 2022 at 10:16:20 AM

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
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#21047: Jun 25th 2022 at 10:52:56 PM

So much of the decisions aroud the sequels were made on a "thats how Star Wars is supposed to be" mindset. It all comes back to the back then common sentiment that the Prequels being to different from the OT was what made them bad.

[up]Especially since the only purpose to Cumberbatchs character being Khan was to throw in some more empty callbacks in the movie.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jun 25th 2022 at 7:59:42 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21048: Jun 25th 2022 at 10:56:47 PM

[up][up]

He also straight up lied about the character being Khan. Just like he later lied about Rey not being related to any famous Star Wars character. tongue

[up]

There's even the very on-the-nose line in the first scene of TFA: "This will make everything right."

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jun 25th 2022 at 7:58:32 PM

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#21050: Jun 26th 2022 at 1:11:30 AM

It's not like amputations have quite the same gravity in a universe where even hardscrabble rebel fighters and hoodlums on backwater planets have access to fully-functional prosthetic limbs that are also evidently pretty easy to maintain. If anything, it's equivalent to breaking someone's wrist.

Edited by Chortleous on Jun 26th 2022 at 3:13:08 AM


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