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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17101: Dec 21st 2021 at 10:57:07 PM

Dumbest news review comment of all time:

"Why would the Senate be applauding losing power? They'd not support a dictator and weaken themselves."

I swear someone used that as a criticism of Revenge of the Sith.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#17102: Dec 21st 2021 at 11:04:07 PM

A lot of the criticisms of politics in the prequels got a bit histrionic. Like in all seriousness stating George Lucas doesn't know what a monarchy is because the Queens of Naboo are elected (apparently unfamiliar with the concept of elective monarchies). People even used to complain Padmé's "This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause" line was too corny, which granted it might be, but not any moreso than any other iconic SW moments (which it absolutely qualifies for).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#17103: Dec 21st 2021 at 11:31:45 PM

[up][up] I wonder if they were asleep on how the Weimar Republic essentially passed laws to give Adolf Hitler total dictatorial powers. Or did they think Hitler took over Germany with an atom bomb aimed at Berlin?

Or did they think America was the only democracy in the world?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17104: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:04:35 AM

[up][up][up] TBF, Revenge of the Sith really didn't do a good job of establishing that Palpatine had political leverage over the senate which even the Novel did a better job of establishing Palpatine had blackmail material and already was using the people's discontent with the Republic and the war.

Like at face value, the scene is Palpatine with a monster face declaring his intent to turn the republic into an empire and everyone just applauds except Padme who looks more confused than anything.

I like the politics in the Prequel's setting, but there's a reason why Palpatine controlling the banks and all the interesting stuff was better handled in the Clone Wars.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#17105: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:14:33 AM

[up]

Clone Wars pretty much happened because George Lucas was never quite happy with how the prequels turned out, if I recall correctly.

The movies do mention Palpatine amassing more and more emergency powers, but we don't get see a lot of that in practice.

There were also some cut scenes, like the one about the senatorial delegation concerned with Palpatine's centralisation of power that would later go on to become the political core of the Rebel Alliance.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:16:07 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
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#17106: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:28:51 AM

[up][up] Oh, in recent years, I don't think we need blackmail or political leverage to find that believable. It reminds me of quote from Hitler from Look Who's Back some time ago, that he was perfectly honest of what he intended, yet the people voted for him anyways.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#17107: Dec 22nd 2021 at 12:48:31 AM

the politics wasnt boring but how lucas explain it was and it kinda feel weird given how the OT was.

in the OT, lucas using archtypes and visual storytelling means he convey easy stuff in little time (empire=space nazis let by evil satanic wizard, rebels=a mix between US forces with well, rebelion stuff let by one part samurai, one part paladin), he never boggle down stuff with details and focus in the high drama and emotional scene of luke and the others.

move foward a fe years and clearly he want a diferent aproach to PT, part of that is finally laying down all his ideas so he tone down the high emotional drama to tell the tale of republic, that with his direction and the fact he isnt that good with dialogue means rather high emotions of the OT is replace by politics that wasnt there before mark by wooden acting and really bad dialogue.

the ST TRY to get back the OT magic but fall ti figure out that lucas always have and idea were to go(not always clear but it was there) and instead of recreating some of the stuff, they directly copy, creating this clearly hollow copy.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#17108: Dec 22nd 2021 at 1:04:20 AM

In the OT, Lucas took the Vietnam war and made the Viet Cong the good guys against an oppressive, outside invasion force.

To say the Rebels were just "the USA but in space" is missing a lot of nuance.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17109: Dec 22nd 2021 at 1:05:54 AM

I mean, Palpatine doesn't need to leverage blackmail material.

He's won over plenty via blind loyalty and fanaticism.

Dissent has become treason as Anakin displays when Padme brings up that Palpatine is, you know, a burgeoning dictator.

The big thing recent years has taught is the corrupt will gladly defer to a absolute leader.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#17110: Dec 22nd 2021 at 1:27:52 AM

[up][up]I said visually they were base on old US forces and stuff that code them as good guys.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17111: Dec 22nd 2021 at 3:55:32 AM

They were notably based on the French Resistance in George's mind too.

A bunch of exiled politicians leading a ragtag band of loyalists to restore their country.

With lots of The Hidden Fortress thrown in.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 22nd 2021 at 3:55:53 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#17112: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:11:41 AM

The New Republic wasn't funding the First Order. Big corporations that had previously gotten really rich under the Empire were the ones doing it. I think the visual dictionaries went into detail saying "Most of the big companies that helped the Empire's military got off scot-free by just merging together with other companies and claiming to be something entirely different."

Just like how agents of the Sith Eternal in key positions helped them to get all of the materials they needed to build their fleet.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#17113: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:14:10 AM

The idea of "Politics and sci-fi can't co-exist" was bullshit pretty much as soon as Star Trek started airing, and I'm not even a Trekkie.

The legend has returned.
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#17114: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:30:40 AM

Wasn't the empire heavily coded as Nazi Germany?

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#17115: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:34:19 AM

There is a lot of Nazi in the Empire, but it also took stuff from Rome and Nixon America and probably a lot more such regimes.

Wake me up at your own risk.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#17116: Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:39:40 AM

The empire takes from a couple of sources (their design evokes the reichstag, napolean, etc.) since Geore=ge was from the very cynical 70-s. Their actually more modelled over you know during the Nixon era and Vietnam. (clone wars made it a more of a war on terror analogue).

Edited by miraculous on Dec 22nd 2021 at 7:40:35 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17117: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:08:24 AM

Lucas once mentioned Palpatine's primary inspiration besides, Hitler, was Nixon who was involved with the Watergate scandal back in the 70s.

Also other famous dictators like Napoleon, Julius Cesare, and Augustus.

[up] Lucas commented when the war on terror parallels were brought up with Palpatine, that the USA was already in a similar situation in Vietnam.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 22nd 2021 at 11:10:38 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#17118: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:38:13 AM

The idea of giving everyone Planet Busters is not with the intent of them using it. In fact, everyone very carefully not using their planet destroying weapons is very much the point, for them Cold War vibes.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#17119: Dec 22nd 2021 at 8:40:18 AM

Tbf this is the star wars universe. Unlike real life where even dictatorships will only have them to use them as the threat to stop invasions.

Their are bad guys in star wars who truly would love to kill all life or wipe out planets for the evulz

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17120: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:12:49 AM

Mutually assured destruction on a galactic scale would be quite a clusterfuck.

Doubly so since Star Wars has cloaking tech and other niceties to ensure one side can strike back without the other being able to counter till it's too late.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#17121: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:15:08 AM

The certainly would be a deterrent at least.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#17122: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:18:32 AM

Add in psychos like Fyzen Gor, Vitate, Lord Odion, etc who's entire goals are wiping out massive swathes /the entire galaxy. And your basically ensuring a disaster by having armed like that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#17123: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:46:20 AM

A recurring theme in Star Wars is that power corrupts regardless of good intentions, whether on the individual scale with trying to use the dark side, or on the societal scale with militarization regressing democracy into a dictatorship. The good guys owning superweapons, even with the intent of not using them, is a recipe for corrupting into a Knight Templar eventually down the line.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17124: Dec 22nd 2021 at 9:55:49 AM

I remember RLM pitching the idea that Starkiller Base being developed as a New Republic weapon and this is what causes Leia to turn away from the New Republic.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17125: Dec 22nd 2021 at 10:02:28 AM

I think that would actually somehow be WORSE than the New Republic collapsing under the First Order's First Strike.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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