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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#17076: Dec 21st 2021 at 1:29:59 PM

Yeah, The Mandalorian shows just how cool and exciting smaller-scale personal stories can be.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#17077: Dec 21st 2021 at 1:41:46 PM

I think it would be counter to the principles of Star Wars to have the good guys use superweapons capable of destroying planets, so yeah, not a fan of everyone getting one. That’s one of a few bits from Duel of the Fates I’m glad they didn’t adapt, the Resistance using a stolen FO flagship’s superlaser.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:24:08 AM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#17078: Dec 21st 2021 at 2:59:22 PM

Yeah, a low-stakes Star Wars political thriller could be pretty interesting. They managed to make the Senate plotlines of the Clone Wars pretty interesting.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#17079: Dec 21st 2021 at 3:09:33 PM

I would dig a Metal Gear Solid style political spy/action thriller in the Star Wars universe. It'd make a dope video game.

We just need to do a period where everyone doesn't know the big political twist. "Gasp! Chancellor Palpatine is behind the war!" isn't really going to shock the people, don'cha'know. Nor is "Gasp! Half the senate is secretly funding the First Order? Who'da thunk?"

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#17080: Dec 21st 2021 at 3:31:08 PM

In general I don't think it makes a lot of sense for the good guys in Star Wars to use planet-busters. Simply put, the sheer amount of collateral damage makes the use of such weapons highly questionable. Admittedly, I can think of situations where it's justifiable but it'd still be more morally ambiguous than I think fits Star Wars.

To be fair, I can imagine a plot where the good guys get a superweapon of some sort, just not a literal planet-buster.

Leviticus 19:34
FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17081: Dec 21st 2021 at 4:45:07 PM

I would like to remind everyone that the whole

THE NR was secretly funding the FO/SE is largely the NEU desperately trying to make sense of whats going on strictly cause JJ and RJ don't really think about much of nothing outside of thier main plot

to the point we have five conflicting reasons why the rest of the Galaxy just rolled over.

This is an outrage against Luminara!
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#17082: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:05:05 PM

Whos idea was it to go forward with the ST with no outline and mutiple directors again?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17083: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:11:04 PM

I'd never have a superweapon again if I could.

I would also prefer to explore a First Order filled world than ever move the timeline.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#17084: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:17:37 PM

@Known Unknown: A big Cold War analogy is precisely where I was going with this, with planet busters being the galactic version of a nuke.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17085: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:19:41 PM

[up][up][up] I feel like a lot of the ST was informed by criticisms of the PT. In some respects this worked out very well, like the more organic dialogue and the gorgeous new practical effects. Others... not so much. Like, one thing that was commonly blamed for the prequels' troubles was Lucas treating them like a vanity project and being unwilling to listen to other people involved. So the ST not only returned to the one-director-per-movie formula of the OT, but also went one further in giving those directors no oversight or unifying vision (which Lucas was on hand to give to Kershner and Marquand) and as a result the three directors literally had no idea what the others were doing. People complained about the PT having "boring political scenes," so the politics explodes. And so on.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Dec 21st 2021 at 7:21:48 AM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#17086: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:26:58 PM

It's not like they did it on purpose, but they set a schedule that was impossible to manage and never installed someone with official authority over the narrative. Michael Ardnt was apparently fired because he said he needed at least another year to write the script of what became TFA, and it sounds like Abrams had a few revisions made to his liking but wasn't interested in developing any long-term answers.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#17087: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:39:15 PM

It's pretty clear to me that the ST was informed by people's criticisms of the PT.

I'd actually argue that not formulating a specific plan is part of that. You see, they wanted to make sure that there wasn't a George Lucas-figure who'd have a lot of power over Star Wars, they wanted to make it more 'flexible'. If one person screwed up, they could just replace them with someone else or change things going forward.

Leviticus 19:34
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#17088: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:44:41 PM

Huh.I actually liked the PT as a kid (It was basiclly my introduction to starwars.Did'nt see the OT until a few years later) so didnt really get the virtol towards it.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#17089: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:56:54 PM

I've argued before that part of the problem with Star Wars movies is that people who grew up with a set of movies are going to be apprehensive about new movies that exist in conversation with the movies they grew up with.

For example, when I introduced my Mom to Star Wars I had her watch all 9 movies in chronological order, starting with Phantom Menace and ending with TROS. She liked all of them, and she really loved the ST. My hypothesis is that this is because she was viewing the ST as simply the last 3 movies in the series, as opposed to 3 movies that were "intruding" on a series that was "already finished".

Leviticus 19:34
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#17090: Dec 21st 2021 at 5:58:04 PM

I honestly never really got the whole "boring politics" complaints about the prequels - that was always one of the best parts for me.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#17091: Dec 21st 2021 at 6:00:26 PM

To be fair, I will say as a kid growing up, the politics in TPM and AOTC went completely over my head.

By Revenge of The Sith, I either got intelligent to understand the politics, or the movies finally got good enough to explain it to me.

Leviticus 19:34
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#17092: Dec 21st 2021 at 6:06:45 PM

The PT did have an infamously toxic hatedom that bleed over into the media as well.

Its not like the harassment Rose's actor experienced was a first time thing, Jar Jar's actor was bullied so horribly he considered suicide and the kid who played Anakin was bullied in school as "the kid who ruined Star Wars".

So it can be assumed that the ST was heavily influenced by a ton of bad takes regarding the PT films.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 21st 2021 at 6:07:28 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17093: Dec 21st 2021 at 6:16:56 PM

Star Wars is weird in the fact its an anti-fascist, mostly pro-women, pro-democracy, spiritual, anti-war (for its own sake) narrative. Stumbles or not, George Lucas not being perfect, its about people who love democracy and peace fighting with female leaders for an end to empires and war.

And it has a huge fandom of white supremacist misogynist keyboard fascists. Not even Misaimed Fandom as people who flat out reverse the narrative.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 21st 2021 at 6:17:51 AM

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#17094: Dec 21st 2021 at 7:02:24 PM

[up][up] What I find bitter irony is that the media tries to defend Kelly's character Rose, calling out the fandom toxic, yet never actually acknowledge their part in that toxic fandom. Oh, things have gotten better now... but the failure of accepting responsibility for the past is what led to their supposed masterpiece ST having a broken reception that I don't see changing any time soon (given that Disney cowardly flees from the ST era after TROS).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#17095: Dec 21st 2021 at 8:39:33 PM

I honestly never really got the whole "boring politics" complaints about the prequels - that was always one of the best parts for me.

Politics were Mis-blamed for the slow, plodding writing of the prequels, basically. This was back when general audiences were less likely to pinpoint the writing of a movie as what's bad about it as apposed to what's in it. Likewise, blaming actors and actresses for getting handed bad scripts.

It led to scores of Star Wars fans believing that political intrigue can't work in sci-fi/action/thriller stories, which is nonsense, but it's one of the more benign mob beliefs the Star Wars fans have fallen into over the years so "shrug."

I figure Andor, when it comes out, should have pretty strong "political thriller" vibes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 21st 2021 at 8:49:04 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#17096: Dec 21st 2021 at 8:47:05 PM

The 2000s were also aggressively centrist, and being explicitly political in one’s work was viewed as taboo. The PT was often derided as Ripped from the Headlines for its depiction of militaristic encroachment as complaining about the Bush administration, even though Lucas was open that he was really inspired by Nixon’s. Those who followed reused the same playbook.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17097: Dec 21st 2021 at 9:26:19 PM

I mean you can dislike the ST without disliking it for the fact it has women and people of color.

It's the Ghostbusters reboot matter. The movie received epic amounts of hate from misogynist scumbags but the script was terrible, the jokes flat, the effects bland, and didn't serve its comedy skilled actresses well.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17098: Dec 21st 2021 at 9:49:43 PM

I really dislike Rose, but the writers should have handled her character better and I still feel bad for the actress for having to deal with online harassment and being obligated to show up for the next one with barely anything to do.

[up][up] Now if anything, the Prequel's politics have aged better in the 10s I guess.

Plus it was also inspired by Nazi Germany and Hitler's rise to power.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 21st 2021 at 12:51:10 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#17099: Dec 21st 2021 at 9:52:32 PM

Also a big helping of Ancient Rome.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#17100: Dec 21st 2021 at 10:50:18 PM

The politics of the prequels is really no different than the kind of politics used in something like The Lord of the Rings, Braveheart or any other type of epic war story. It may not have been done with quite the same energy and finesse as those films, but it helps explain the stakes and motivation. It's easy to latch on to the "protesting rising taxes" in TPM, but the idea was about seeding the conflict as originating in something startling mundane and even still "taxes" are not mentioned at all once it becomes an invasion and occupation story. The politics in AOTC and ROTS start converging everything together as it becomes obvious the power grab that has been taking place all this time, to where we get the popular line "So this is how liberty falls? With thunderous applause."

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