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Things that are acceptable here:
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Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:
Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):
This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:
And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:
Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM
That's at least because they were coherent in the context of their stories.
Like Starkiller's game was a spectacle game and was honest about it, same with Clone Wars.
Palpatine just shooting lightning into space because of some poorly explained force dyad, and Rey summoning Jedi force ghosts in a planet saturated with Dark Side energy was just silly and narmy.
But at least it was fun to look at.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 16th 2021 at 11:55:20 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Windu smashing droids took place in a more stylized medium, by a director who’s great at action choreography. While TROS is far less consistent and full of questionable action editing like Rey fighting the same guards twice replayed while lightning strobe effects put one’s eyes in pain.
Indeed, especially when particularly powerful Sith in Legends were able to do things like cause massive lightning storms or blow up suns. A simple super-powerful blast of Force Lightning strong enough to short-circuit a fleet is peanuts compared to that, and as Palpatine said, all of the knowledge and power of the Sith lived in him.
It's just HOW he gets it is badly explained.
Like at no point was it established that Rey and Kylo Ren's shipper connection could feed Palpatine or that Palpatine could even drain people at all.
Or what even a force dyad actually is.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I’m most perplexed by how he was able to precision aim it to hit only the tiny good guy ships and none of his own absolutely massive ships. Which he does. The lightning goes around them and none of the Star Destroyers fall. Which is some incredible aim for a power he literally just gained.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 16th 2021 at 10:05:21 AM
The reason it feels so wrong is simple the story around it just wasn't good. Rule of cool can get you far but only if the story is interesting enough that people would be okay with something cool happening just for the sake of something cool happening. The story of the ST was not good enough for the people to just enjoy the coolness of it.
I dunno why people are so resistant to the dyad when the previous movies continued to drill into our heads the idea that Rey and Kylo are the opposite sides of the force, rising to meet.
Like, it's explicit text in the movie that Rey is growing stronger because Kylo is and she was chosen by the force to be his counter.
Nothing in TROS about those two is new except that their special force connection now has a name.
Because it feel as patch job really, the reason they have this conexion is because they mimic luke and vader conection as father and son without being family and because there was some subtext between both on TLJ, so this was the best compromise they got.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I mean, those are two completely different things, so yeah. There's a fairly significant narrative difference between "these two characters are good and evil counterparts of each other, fated to fight" and "these two characters are an example of an explicitly ancient magical bond that taps into the greatest power seen thus far in the galaxy."
The latter requires, at the very least, significantly more set up, for one.
Like
said, it's a patch job added right at the end to force some dramatic weight onto their relationship (and I mean right at the end), in a way that breaks the establishment of the setting because it had never been set up before. It comes out of nowhere and has a severe effect on the story (much like Palpatine himself, tbh).
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 16th 2021 at 1:45:47 AM
The concept of a dyad I don’t mind, it’s that in TROS it’s a very transparent attempt to pander to the Reylo ship with “they aren’t just edging on lovers, they’re soulmates destined for each other”. All that’s missing is the “born with names on wrist” or “sees color for first time” to complete the cliche checklist.
Like a lot of stuff in TROS, the dyad is actually a really interesting idea that would've been great had it not been thought of and added right at the very end of the story.
Like, can you imagine what they could've made out of "wires crossed, the child of Palpatine's arcane cloning experiments and the natural-born child whose mind Palpatine has been manipulating via the force since birth became unnaturally connected their entire lives" had it been something they actually intended from the beginning?
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 16th 2021 at 1:56:43 AM
I guess this is a cultural or language barrier thing, then?
Because to me the concept of the dyad means nothing at all (never heard of the term before TROS tbh).
I just don't see why TROS gets all the blame, when I've been sitting watching the special bond that forms between Rey and Kylo become more and more explicit for three movies straight.
This was always an aspect of the story to me. I guess I'll just never understand your position on this subject then.
Because its basically just the already existing soul mates trope under a fancy sci-fi term like how blasters are just guns that shoot energy bullets.
It exists nothing more than to be romance fluff. "Oh Kylo and Rey are so meant to be together that their souls and destinies are literally intertwined with each other, in the oh so massive infinite universe these 2 are the most absolutely perfect perfect romantic partners for each other."
Thats basically what the Dyad concept is for here, nothing more. To sell you that Kylo and Rey are the greatest most destiny defining romance in all of Star Wars.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 16th 2021 at 7:36:54 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I mean most of the over the top powers had clear drawbacks to them... unless you were starkiller
like the whole force pushing a star destroyer... no one brings up the poor kid who melted at a cellular level
This is an outrage against Luminara!