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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#16901: Dec 15th 2021 at 8:32:33 AM

I mean most of the over the top powers had clear drawbacks to them... unless you were starkiller

like the whole force pushing a star destroyer... no one brings up the poor kid who melted at a cellular level

This is an outrage against Luminara!
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#16902: Dec 15th 2021 at 10:56:13 AM

[up][up] That's an exaggeration. The Force Storm isn't something he could just conjure up on a whim.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 15th 2021 at 7:56:28 PM

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RedTurbanLeader Since: Jun, 2020
#16903: Dec 15th 2021 at 11:55:39 AM

[up][up][up] Even so: I wish that Darth Sidious had never done that.

It sets a bad precedent.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#16904: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:27:22 AM

[up]Why not? Sidious had absorbed Ben and Rey's Dyad, making him more powerful than ever.

Even Rey needed to be empowered by the force ghosts to be able to win him, and she only win because he gave back his own power, and he died trying.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Dec 16th 2021 at 8:36:46 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#16905: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:32:23 AM

I mean the whole finale of TROS just sucked and made no sense, but it looked cool.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#16906: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:38:46 AM

Yet Starkiller moving a Star Destroyer or Windu destroying an army with bare hands are considered awesome moments.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Dec 16th 2021 at 8:40:36 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#16907: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:55:06 AM

That's at least because they were coherent in the context of their stories.

Like Starkiller's game was a spectacle game and was honest about it, same with Clone Wars.

Palpatine just shooting lightning into space because of some poorly explained force dyad, and Rey summoning Jedi force ghosts in a planet saturated with Dark Side energy was just silly and narmy.

But at least it was fun to look at.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 16th 2021 at 11:55:20 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#16908: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:56:48 AM

Windu smashing droids took place in a more stylized medium, by a director who’s great at action choreography. While TROS is far less consistent and full of questionable action editing like Rey fighting the same guards twice replayed while lightning strobe effects put one’s eyes in pain.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#16909: Dec 16th 2021 at 8:58:27 AM

Oh yeah, I kept forgetting TROS's finale had a badly edited final fight with the guards.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#16910: Dec 16th 2021 at 9:19:43 AM

Anyway, the feat of Sidious is not so exaggerated compared to Starkiller or Windu.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#16911: Dec 16th 2021 at 10:01:12 AM

Indeed, especially when particularly powerful Sith in Legends were able to do things like cause massive lightning storms or blow up suns. A simple super-powerful blast of Force Lightning strong enough to short-circuit a fleet is peanuts compared to that, and as Palpatine said, all of the knowledge and power of the Sith lived in him.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#16912: Dec 16th 2021 at 10:01:34 AM

It's just HOW he gets it is badly explained.

Like at no point was it established that Rey and Kylo Ren's shipper connection could feed Palpatine or that Palpatine could even drain people at all.

Or what even a force dyad actually is.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#16913: Dec 16th 2021 at 10:04:44 AM

I’m most perplexed by how he was able to precision aim it to hit only the tiny good guy ships and none of his own absolutely massive ships. Which he does. The lightning goes around them and none of the Star Destroyers fall. Which is some incredible aim for a power he literally just gained.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 16th 2021 at 10:05:21 AM

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#16914: Dec 16th 2021 at 10:07:23 AM

The reason it feels so wrong is simple the story around it just wasn't good. Rule of cool can get you far but only if the story is interesting enough that people would be okay with something cool happening just for the sake of something cool happening. The story of the ST was not good enough for the people to just enjoy the coolness of it.

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#16915: Dec 16th 2021 at 11:28:58 AM

And despite being a spectacle game Starkiller didn't actually pull down a Star Destroyer, outside of trailers, he slightly redirected a crashing one.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#16916: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:38:23 PM

I dunno why people are so resistant to the dyad when the previous movies continued to drill into our heads the idea that Rey and Kylo are the opposite sides of the force, rising to meet.

Like, it's explicit text in the movie that Rey is growing stronger because Kylo is and she was chosen by the force to be his counter.

Nothing in TROS about those two is new except that their special force connection now has a name.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#16917: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:42:30 PM

Because it feel as patch job really, the reason they have this conexion is because they mimic luke and vader conection as father and son without being family and because there was some subtext between both on TLJ, so this was the best compromise they got.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16918: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:43:57 PM

I dunno why people are so resistant to the dyad when the previous movies continued to drill into our heads the idea that Rey and Kylo are the opposite sides of the force, rising to meet.

I mean, those are two completely different things, so yeah. There's a fairly significant narrative difference between "these two characters are good and evil counterparts of each other, fated to fight" and "these two characters are an example of an explicitly ancient magical bond that taps into the greatest power seen thus far in the galaxy."

The latter requires, at the very least, significantly more set up, for one.

Like [up] said, it's a patch job added right at the end to force some dramatic weight onto their relationship (and I mean right at the end), in a way that breaks the establishment of the setting because it had never been set up before. It comes out of nowhere and has a severe effect on the story (much like Palpatine himself, tbh).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 16th 2021 at 1:45:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#16919: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:47:38 PM

Dyad is just another name for soul mates.

Cause that's the level we fell into to force this inexplicable pairing against all odds.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 16th 2021 at 1:47:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#16920: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:48:13 PM

The concept of a dyad I don’t mind, it’s that in TROS it’s a very transparent attempt to pander to the Reylo ship with “they aren’t just edging on lovers, they’re soulmates destined for each other”. All that’s missing is the “born with names on wrist” or “sees color for first time” to complete the cliche checklist. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16921: Dec 16th 2021 at 1:52:17 PM

Like a lot of stuff in TROS, the dyad is actually a really interesting idea that would've been great had it not been thought of and added right at the very end of the story.

Like, can you imagine what they could've made out of "wires crossed, the child of Palpatine's arcane cloning experiments and the natural-born child whose mind Palpatine has been manipulating via the force since birth became unnaturally connected their entire lives" had it been something they actually intended from the beginning?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 16th 2021 at 1:56:43 AM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#16922: Dec 16th 2021 at 7:24:21 PM

I guess this is a cultural or language barrier thing, then?

Because to me the concept of the dyad means nothing at all (never heard of the term before TROS tbh).

I just don't see why TROS gets all the blame, when I've been sitting watching the special bond that forms between Rey and Kylo become more and more explicit for three movies straight.

This was always an aspect of the story to me. I guess I'll just never understand your position on this subject then.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#16923: Dec 16th 2021 at 7:36:07 PM

Because its basically just the already existing soul mates trope under a fancy sci-fi term like how blasters are just guns that shoot energy bullets.

It exists nothing more than to be romance fluff. "Oh Kylo and Rey are so meant to be together that their souls and destinies are literally intertwined with each other, in the oh so massive infinite universe these 2 are the most absolutely perfect perfect romantic partners for each other."

Thats basically what the Dyad concept is for here, nothing more. To sell you that Kylo and Rey are the greatest most destiny defining romance in all of Star Wars.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 16th 2021 at 7:36:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#16924: Dec 16th 2021 at 7:51:03 PM

Speaking of power, it's somewhat disappointing that Kylo Ren and Rey were described by Luke as very powerful in the force, and they will never show it.

Most of his on-screen feats of him are things an Inquisitor could do.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#16925: Dec 16th 2021 at 7:54:52 PM

The most impressive Force move Kylo does in the trilogy is that bit early in TFA when he freezes a blaster bolt in midair and keeps it there for a while.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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