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Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:
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This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:
And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:
Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM
Militocracies are based on territory control submitting to the central leadership, you lose enough of the upper leadership and it will devolve into infighting because of who has what resource. The Empire was heavily fractured because they disbanded the senate in ANH because they had the Death Star only to lose it immediately afterward. The two officers in the meeting explained it well, the Fleet Commander was concerned about logistics while the other dismissed those concerns because the Death Star was invincible.
General Pryde was a shockingly competent character thrown in at the last minute because they knew Hux was worthless. I generally prefer when they try to fix bad writing rather than start over, Pryde usurping Hux was to hype up Pryde as a threat. Hux should have died at Exegol and it be all his fault. Or have him try to break a deal with Sidious and fail.
Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.Hilariously, a LOT of Reylo people predicted that the Huxster would betray Kylo Ren, but in a way that would make Huxster the Big Bad so Kylo Ren could have his redemption arc.
There's even a couple of fan comics about this.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"![]()
I agree Pryde’s introduction was pretty sudden in grand scheme of things, but personally I like character, so I am willing to give it a pass.
As for Hux, I really don’t think he reduced to as much of non-threat people say he was. Yeah his introduction in the Last Jedi is humiliating and Kylo has no problem abusing him once he takes command, but he still almost destroys Resistance once he gets wind of Holdo’s plan, while in Rise he was pretty effective spy from what we learn and still saves Finn and Poe’s lives despite being found out and disposed of shortly after.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 17th 2025 at 10:38:50 AM
I guess they felt RJ's approach to Hux had damaged the character too much so they created Pyrde
But Yeah if the FO is suppose to be bunch of Simulation babies who don't have real experience and are mostly relying on them having the Tech advantage even if outnumbered
Hux dying at Exegol cause he just doesn't have the Experience 'despite having the better fleet' to deal with the curveball of the Galaxy isn't afraid of you
This is an outrage against Luminara!See, I'm a bad person, so what I would have enjoyed would be Hux successfully usurping Kylo, being summoned to Exegol to learn about Palpatine and responding by torching the planet with his fleet, killing Palpatine, again, but sparking a civil war in his own fleet between true believers and his own loyalists.
Come on guys, he's the spy!
I like Domhnall Gleeson, so it's as shame Hux was so wishy-washy as the films went on .
Hux was a victim of the overall tone mismatch with the First Order. The Alliance needed to be smart and strategic in order to believably counter the military power of the Empire. The First Order reveled in their military might despite the setup that they are The Remnant of the Empire, and the Resistance won through action hero tropes rather than intelligence and strategy (their plan to disable Starkiller Base shields involved just three people, none of whom were official Resistance members at the time, which is a decision made because they expect plot armor). Canady was a glimpse into the intended portrayal of the First Order as incompetent blowhards, but without that viewpoint everything comes across as a flat imitation.
Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.I never got an incompetent vibe from Hux until the third film.
In the first couple films he comes off more as a put-upon Only Sane Man.
Plus, the Huxster killed trillions among trillions of people with Starkiller base.
Sure his speech may be hit or miss, but it does sell that this is a guy who will psychotically kill a vast amount of people for his goals.
Even if he was incompetent, that wouldn't change the fact he's killed so much people.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I'm actually re-watching TFA over the last few days.
Not only does Hux not seem that incompetent in the first movie, but he and Kylo don't even seem hostile towards each other at first.
It's only after Finn's defection and escape with Poe that they two seem to start getting snippy with each other.
It's fascinating to watch the first movie and compare it to how things go later. Sort of view it on its own merits.
One Strip! One Strip!Hux is played fairly straight laced TFA
but apparently RJ couldn't take him seriously
You could argue thats the modern problem is we are dismissive of passion and everybody has to be a snarky jackass 'insert long diatribe on guys like Mel Brooks and Co specifically targeting this type of style as ridiculous etc etc'
Last Makes... Hux the punchline like I'm surprised RJ didn't shove his head in toilet
This is an outrage against Luminara!I don't remember Hux being portrayed as particularly incompetent in the second film either.
That's maybe the movie where "Hux is usually right, but nobody listens to him" is strongest, if anything. There's several scenes where Kylo uses him as a Chew Toy in response to Hux criticizing his approach, but those are more there to show off how childish and short-sighted Kylo is than anything necessarily foolish about Hux himself.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 17th 2025 at 1:45:04 AM
Unless I'm misremembering, there's the very first scene. Where's he's so distracted by Fake Static and a Your Mom joke that he lets Poe fly right up to his ship and blast all the point defence guns off it.
It takes us full circle to the older Captains snarking and moaning about what he's doing wrong, like not deploying a fighter screen until much later.
Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 17th 2025 at 9:46:53 AM
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No, he doesn't. Though I just rewatched it to be sure.
Poe pulls an I Surrender, Suckers! / I Shall Taunt You, but the actual attack he pulls on the dreadnaught happens after that. Hux orders them to destroy his ship immediately and definitely doesn't just sit back and let it happen, nor is he distracted at all when it happens, but Poe's piloting a craft too small and maneuverable to be hit by their weapons and pulls one of those last ditch maneuvers to get the speed needed to get close enough to be out of danger.
It's basically the same idea as the Death Star Run (or, even more closely, what Darth Vader pulled on Pheonix Squadron for Rebels fans).
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 17th 2025 at 2:17:31 AM
To me Hux comes across as someone who may have been a reasonably competent mid-way officer, but once he's this high up in rank, he's not as qualified anymore. He does have clever and competent moments, but I see him mainly as a Pointy-Haired Boss, who is cosplaying as an ideal Imperial officer. I'd say that his portrayal through the sequels develops mostly in an understandable way, with his dignity and sanity gradually cracking due to the various setbacks caused by his enemies and the humiliation faced at the whims of Force-users. I also imagine that his daddy-issues are getting worse, and causing him to lose even more of his cool. I haven't read the books or comics that feature him, but I find his appearances in Resistance interesting, because he is interacting with people below his rank and who have to put up with him. In his few scenes, he doesn't offer any concrete strategies or orders for Commander Pyre and the others to foolow, but he is mostly behaving like a bully throwing his weight around when issuing vague demands, or then he is going on rambling mini-propaganda-speeches.
I do think that scene with Poe was what did most to color idea that post TFA Hux is a complete moron and comic relief. On one hand, I do get from where it comes from since even in-universe, it’s few days at most since he destroyed entire star system.
But at same time, he still has the Resistance on the run for most of the movie and almost destroys it, and only really gets subjected to slapstick after unstable guy strong with the Force with whom has rocky relathioship becomes his boss (there was that scene with Snoke’s hologram after ship is destroyed by Poe’s attack, but even there focus is more on Snoke being scary and establishing him as Bad Boss rather than making Hux funny).
Still watching TFA on and off.
With the context of who Kylo's Parents are, the scene where he's told about how BB-8 escaped with Finn's help aboard a Freighter has a lot of new context. It's possible that, even if he didn't know it was actually the Millenium Falcon, hearing about that specific ship did more to trigger his tantrum than finding out BB-8 escaped (or rather, that added on to it).
One Strip! One Strip!I've heard at least one person say they think Pryde was an another of Abrams efforts to reverse what happens in Last, because he got smacked around a little in it, and was in his mind no longer as credible a foe.
As you guys have pointed out here, Hux isn't actually incompetent, he's just a self interested coward who's at the mercy of much more powerful masters. He still works as an enemy, but he's also an Acceptable Target for humiliation on account of being a fascist.
Edited by Avenger09 on Oct 17th 2025 at 11:47:10 AM
Besides the blustering speeches and having massive pieces of hardware to back it up, Hux isn't portrayed as especially competent either. Consider he is supposed to be the Tarkin figure, but doesn't get the same focus within the plot because he is upstaged by Kylo as the Vader-clone and Snoke as the Sidious-clone. TFA had the attitude of "Here are some characters, other people will do things with them." TLJ had him being ragdolled by Snoke, which is intentionally drawing a comparison to the Imperials Vader would harass/kill for arrogance and incompetence. The one moment I do like is when Hux finds Kylo and nearly tries to shoot him as it was a quieter, more serious beat next to all the screaming and ranting.
Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.Tarkin was so concerned with making the Death Star a symbol of Imperial might that he didn’t understand the consequences of that symbol being used once, then BLOWN UP.
In Legends even using it on Alderaan strengthened the Rebellion massively because the rest of the galaxy thought “They used that on a loyal Core world. What’s to stop them from using it on us?” and they threw their lot in with the Rebels.
It nearly worked in canon, but its destruction and Jyn Erso and rogue One’s actions persuaded the Rebels to keep fighting regardless, and the Death Star’s destruction galvanized a huge portion of the galaxy.

At that point the chain of command starts to break down because their is no longer a clear line of succession. Everyone in the lower ranks (lieutenants, etc) has to figure out if they even can reestablish a hierarchy. People start deserting or they become small warlords with whatever resources they have available.
Again on the scale of the Empire. You're not going to be down to LTs after Endor, not anywhere near it. You're going to have a plentitude of Flag officers and senior captains left.
Militaries always have a clear line of succession by rank and seniority.
Is more to the point. Interservice rivalry, fascist infighting and jockeying for power without the Emperor as supreme authority would be an issue.
Eta:
Betrayal is the way of the Sith and look how well they always succeed.
Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 17th 2025 at 4:50:52 PM