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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#50526: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:34:34 AM

Of course Legends did that...

Because apparently the idea of people trading away freedom for the illusion of security's such an alien concept that it has to have been some kind of mind control.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#50527: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:35:45 AM

At least in the Legendsverse a lot of anti-Palpatine Senators still stayed on because they honestly felt beating him from within the system was the best option.

And then he fired them all and blew up one of the Republic’s founding worlds while he was at it.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50528: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:39:40 AM

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In Canon, I can imagine some poor senator trying to build a case against Palpatine and his increasing centralization of authority, but then one day waking up in a mysterious motel room with dead children and incriminating footage in the hands of Palpatine.

The Dark Side is eldritch that way.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#50529: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:39:50 AM

At that point, there wasn't much to do from within the system, really. They kept giving him aditional powers during the whole war, so the Senate was toothless. Short of planning a self coup, by that point, it was too late.

Wake me up at your own risk.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#50530: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:44:59 AM

There's a reason I often call Revenge of the Sith basically the last moment Sidious could have been stopped before enacting his plan.

And he does almost get stopped. Had it not been for Anakin, the Sith plot would have failed right then and there and the Republic could have survived, even if badly bloodied.

There would have still been a sizable movement of anti-authoritarian senators who could have helped roll back the wartime centralisation policies etc.

I think it's what really helps make Revenge of the Sith all the more tragic - the Sith's victory was not guaranteed.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#50531: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:53:22 AM

If Mace and Anakin had killed Palpatine in his office there probably would still at least have been a civil war, I’d say, once Sheev’s stooges turned him into a tragic martyr.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Oct 8th 2025 at 5:55:38 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50532: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:55:24 AM

Though none of them had the same following as Palpatine did.

And the Jedi have Padme and the other senators on their side.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#50533: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:58:07 AM

Yeah, it would have at least been a more even war, with Padme and the Jedi Council surviving and Bail and other anti-Palpatine Senators not forced underground for 20 years, the good guys would’ve had more big players willing to move openly if nothing else.

jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#50534: Oct 8th 2025 at 6:04:09 AM

You also have the grander scope from the expanded universe media as well, notable the fact that Maul was captured and knew Palpatine was Darth Sidious and pulling the strings on both sides of the Clone Wars, nevermind how the CIS is all but headless halfway through Episode III.

Sheev telling Anakin he was the sith lord was his last chance, an all-or-nothing gamble to pull out a win before what remains of the CIS surrender/sue for piece and his former apprentice tells the galaxy what he is. And if Anakin had just stay put for an hour, it would have backfired hard

Edited by jdeo1997 on Oct 8th 2025 at 9:07:18 AM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#50535: Oct 8th 2025 at 6:06:04 AM

If Mace and Anakin had killed Palpatine, there would maybe have been a civil war, on the other hand they were already at war with the CIS and that wouldn't go away. They'd lost Dooku and Grievous of course, RotS's implication is the war was going in the Republic's favour.

But...

Depending on how much you think Sidious was holding the CIS back to keep the war going, that might change and the CIS might become much more formidable.

Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 8th 2025 at 2:06:44 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#50536: Oct 8th 2025 at 6:07:50 AM

Palpatine was also holding the Republic back from winning too early.

Wake me up at your own risk.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#50537: Oct 8th 2025 at 6:32:36 AM

Yep. Not to mention I imagine that in the event that Palpatine had been stopped, the Jedi probably would have taken over the government for a time. Probably would have done a whole mess of investigations and moves to curtail executive power and put it back in the hands of the Senate, air out all of Palpatine's dirty laundry, end the war, and other stuff.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#50538: Oct 8th 2025 at 7:03:05 AM

It's also worth remembering that both Padmé and and Bail were prominent political leaders with some genuine pull in the Senate, to the point of having been a constant thorn in Palpatine's side for the entire war (he literally tries to have Bail assassinated at one point because how popular he was within the Senate).

A post-Palpatine transitional government would have likely relied on people like them to ensure as smooth of a process as possible.

I honestly kinda don't see the civil war angle because... who's gonna lead that other side? Without Sidious being able to pull the trigger, the Jedi are still basically in control of the military. Nevermind the military being predominantly made up of clones who've generally been more positively predisposed towards the Jedi.

A lot of the people who might be tempted to start shit also derived most of their power and influence from their affiliation with Palpatine (like Tarkin).

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 8th 2025 at 4:08:03 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50539: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:03:04 AM

I wonder if Palpatine had a back-up plan to remotely activate Order 66 in the event of his death.

Take all the Jedi down with him and all that.

If he did, then even if he'd died by Mace's hands, he might have still destroyed the Jedi.

Oh, here's a thought. What would Mace have done once he killed Palpatine? Would he have just continued on as usual, or would he have have later acknowledged that Anakin was right that what he did was not the Jedi way, and turned himself in and even left the order, recognizing that what he did was necessary, but still taking responsibility for killing someone who was (as far as he knew) defenseless.

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Starbug Men of Letters Field Agent from Variable (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Men of Letters Field Agent
#50540: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:06:22 AM

I could picture Mace meeting with the Council/tribunal:

“I make no excuses for my actions. And I am willing to accept whatever decision you feel is acceptable.”

I’ve faked death under many names. Carswell; Trelawney; Marcato; Haddo; Gallion; Felton; Riddle…
EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#50541: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:49:06 AM

It's pretty clear in ROTS the only option at that point was a Decapitation Strike, executive powers were with Palpatine directly and no line of succession. Mace suggested the Jedi serve in the office until a proper democratic Chancellor is elected again, but would be viewed as a coup regardless. Yoda and Obi-Wans attacks against Sidious and Vader was a last ditch effort that would cause internal chaos but power would return to the Senate, they would probably have to go in hiding regardless because they assassinated a head of state.

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Starbug Men of Letters Field Agent from Variable (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Men of Letters Field Agent
#50542: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:51:49 AM

I’m picturing the Council voting for Mace’s dismissal, followed by a parody of the opening theme of Branding.

I’ve faked death under many names. Carswell; Trelawney; Marcato; Haddo; Gallion; Felton; Riddle…
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#50543: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:55:36 AM

I just wonder whom the Jedi would've installed as an Interim Chancellor.

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#50544: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:55:52 AM

Maybe Bail Organa?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50545: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:56:14 AM

Wait, who was the vice Chancellor then?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#50546: Oct 8th 2025 at 8:59:13 AM

Mas Amedda as Vice Chair.

apparently he remained as second in command all the way to the Empire, and was temporarily Emperor? See the empire wasn't xenophobic at all!

Silly rebels.

He was so far in Palpatine's pocket though, the Jedi were going to oust him. At least according to the novel, it really was going to be a coup that dislodged and replaced all Palpatine's cronies.

eta: [down] Ok, Vergere

Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 8th 2025 at 5:02:11 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50547: Oct 8th 2025 at 9:00:15 AM

That's right D Ccutter, and the Dark Side is part of the natural order of things. tongue

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#50548: Oct 8th 2025 at 9:18:43 AM

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I mean, barely anybody was listening to Mas Amedda after Endor.

His whole power had derived and when Palpatine got killed, that power kinda evorapoted and all that he was left with were the trappings of legitimacy (due to basically being the official regent).

The Empire in Legends pretty much fell apart for the same reasons - nobody's really had the unquestioned legitimacy to succeed Palpatine, so you ended up with a bunch of wannabe emperors tearing it apart and killing each other in power struggles, while also fighting the New Republic at the same time.

It took Palpatine coming back from the dead to scare all the resulting warlords back in line and things basically fell apart after his final death again.

The main reason there was any kind of unified Imperial Remnant at all after some point was because Admiral Daala basically murdered most of the powerful Imperial warlords and then handed leadership off to Pellaeon after a major screw-up on her part (Daala and screw-ups, name a more iconic duo). There was a whole weird thing with Daala in late Legends, but let's just ignore that because late Legends was just kinda losing the plot entirely.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 8th 2025 at 6:19:22 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#50549: Oct 8th 2025 at 9:24:30 AM

I don't know what it was about Denning but he just loved to bring back old failure Villains

Thracken should have been executed for the whole Peace Brigade nonsense but since NJO only implied it would happen and never explicitly said it did

Boom Evil Han is somehow back in control of the very system he had threaten to blow up.

and then... there was what he did to poor poor Callista

This is an outrage against Luminara!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#50550: Oct 8th 2025 at 10:11:22 AM

There were a few other characters who at least gave a good try at holding the Empire together. Isard, Thrawn, and Carnor Jax, the head Royal Guard.

None of their attempts outlived them, though, and once all three were dead…


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