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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#50501: Oct 7th 2025 at 1:12:02 PM

Luke's only successful student was Rey. And she was only with him for a few days, at most.

And he was trying, and failing to dissuade her from Jediism.

Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 7th 2025 at 9:12:29 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50502: Oct 7th 2025 at 1:29:20 PM

Honestly, that proves how good a teacher he is.tongue

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#50503: Oct 7th 2025 at 1:50:34 PM

I'm guessing they're going to retcon that he had others that weren't killed, as well. If they have, say, new characters Jacen Syndulla go onto be trained by Luke, it's doubtful they're going to just have those stories be forced to be cut off with "and they they were killed by Kylo, the end."

With the vague way things are presented in the Sequel Trilogy, I think there is plenty of ambiguity regarding Luke's other students. So there is room for many of them to survive, even most of them. AFAIK Luke didn't even check how many of them died, and just assumed that Ben murdered them all. Either way, he left because he was so consumed by his guilt and sense of unworthiness as a mentor. I have nothing against seeing more surviving Jedi from this second purge, either Luke's ex-students or people trained by Ahsoka and other survivors of Order 66.

Starbug Men of Letters Field Agent from Variable (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Men of Letters Field Agent
#50504: Oct 7th 2025 at 1:51:58 PM

And we’ll get to see just how many of them are pissed at Luke for not even searching…

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50505: Oct 7th 2025 at 3:06:59 PM

I always thought the easiest way to deal with it would be to just establish that that one school wasn't the only thing Luke built during the span of thirty years between the OT and the ST, but more that it was the one he put most of his heart into.

Make it clear Luke helped build other conclaves of Jedi or supported the missions of other surviving former Jedi like Ahsoka, or if they don't want to go that far that he helped other force sensitive people or communities oppressed by the Empire (a nice way to bring back the Bardottans, for instance) rebuild, etc. And then one of the things they could do with Rey is have her travel the galaxy and reconnect with all those varied and myriad people.

[down] I'm not sure what you mean.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 7th 2025 at 3:08:59 AM

Starbug Men of Letters Field Agent from Variable (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Men of Letters Field Agent
#50506: Oct 7th 2025 at 3:08:19 PM

Nah, let’s just stick with the equivalent of No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup.

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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#50507: Oct 7th 2025 at 3:13:08 PM

AFAIK Luke didn't even check how many of them died, and just assumed that Ben murdered them all.

I thought he checked enough to assume some left with Ren, instead of trying to hunt him down and dying.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#50508: Oct 7th 2025 at 3:36:27 PM

I mean, Luke didn't try and give Grogu a "no attachments" ultimatum. He specifically said "You're conflicted over what you'd like to be, and that's not going to help either of us. I need you to pick which thing you really want to be."

The Kylo Ren comic we saw had a number of other students at his academy so it seemed to go fairly well until, you know, Ren went nuts because, just like his grandfather, he listened to a suspicious old guy and then jumped to conclusions during a tense period.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#50509: Oct 7th 2025 at 4:10:09 PM

[1]

That's a very Redactive way to look at it, since you know Leia

___

Similar to how Lucas needed to make a bunch of rules so Anakin can fuck up over them

The ST desire to make Rey THE HERO instead of doing a simple baton pass is just gonna be one of those Narrative choices that haunts It long after the fact.

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Oct 7th 2025 at 4:11:59 AM

This is an outrage against Luminara!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50510: Oct 7th 2025 at 4:47:28 PM

[up][up] So did Ahsoka, before the Ahsoka show retconned that into "Ahsoka being super anal about attachments and caring about others is because she was going through some shit."

At the time, Star Wars looked like it was on some kind of "if you're a Jed, you have to be written as a staid, traditional Jedi" kick at the time which hit both Ahsoka and Luke. Given how they made a point of circling back on that with Ahsoka, who knows if they're also going to do the same with Luke.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 7th 2025 at 4:48:34 AM

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#50511: Oct 7th 2025 at 4:49:36 PM

@Frozen Wolf 2: So, let's see:

  • At least two students quit and survived (Leia and Grogu)
  • Unknown number of students killed by Kylo Ren
  • One turned to the dark side, then turned back by Rey (Kylo)
  • One who became perhaps the greatest Jedi ever, after interacting with Luke for a few days (Rey)

And I'm honestly not sure Luke actually had much to do with Rey becoming the person she did.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50512: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:05:59 PM

Yeah. He ultimately didn't teach her much.....in TLJ.

He was the one who helped her overcome her terror at being the Granddaughter of Palpatine in TROS though, and even gave her his old X-Wing. And she did need to hear that. In the end, wasn't too dead to help her out.

I suppose Luke would understand the idea of hating your relative.

On a different note, do we know of any other Padawans of Dooku.

In Legends, he apparently had one named Kamari Vosa (she was the one who owned the Curved Hilt Light Sabers that he gave to Ventress in 2003 Clone Wars), but it's not clear who else he trained, if he trained anyone else at all.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#50513: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:25:46 PM

Luke at least has a better track record as a teacher than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan sucked as a mentor, something he even acknowledged in ROTS.

Obi-Wan: I have failed you Anakin.

Seriously, Obi-Wan had two students throughout his life. One turned into a child murdering Sith Lord and the latter was only his student for a few days.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50514: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:26:42 PM

Ahsoka's probably a good argument for why co-raising a padawan should've been a thing more often.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50515: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:29:13 PM

I would call Ahsoka proof that Anakin is a damn good teacher.

And that her presence might have helped keep Anakin on the straight and narrow.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#50516: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:34:14 PM

As someone once said on this thread, Ahsoka's Padawan training was the one part of Anakin's life he didn't screw up.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#50517: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:36:51 PM

The impression I got in TROS is that Leia was Luke's most successful student considering that Leia easily picked up on where Luke left off. And she was literally a day away from completing her training.

And honestly, if I have to do only one revision for TLJ and everything else remain the same, it would be Leia pondering if she had depended too much on Luke being the last hope for the galaxy. That the galaxy would have rallied to her as a Jedi rather than a politician or princess.

And she resolves to teach Rey to be a Jedi, stating that she can't run from her destiny and heritage anymore.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#50518: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:39:09 PM

I think Leia's mindset was that she could do more as a politician — and later the Resistance leader — than as a Jedi. It is familiar territory for her, after all. Being a Jedi's a full-time thing. She only continues Rey's training because Luke's not around to do it and someone has to complete Rey's training.

There's also the fact that Leia's a bit more inclined to the Dark Side of the Force than Luke. Word of God is that Leia was able to strangle Jabba back in ROTJ by instinctively channeling the Dark Side to increase her strength. Heck, even in Legends she's repeatedly described as being more like Anakin to the point the Noghri — who deeply respected Anakin — call her "Lady Vader".

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2025 at 9:42:45 PM

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#50519: Oct 7th 2025 at 6:44:15 PM

[up] Yeah, that's her primary thought. I like to think she just ponders about the other path that she could have taken, especially since it became clear that Luke was refusing to join the fight for days on end.

It would also assure audiences that Rey won't simply self-teach herself with the Jedi books and she would have a teacher after Luke's death for the next two years.

Remember, nobody knew how much Leia learned the ways of the Jedi until TROS reveals the extent.

Edited by Shadao on Oct 7th 2025 at 6:45:02 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50520: Oct 8th 2025 at 4:52:14 AM

So was there anything Padme and Bail could have done to stop Palpatine from declaring THE FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#50521: Oct 8th 2025 at 4:53:26 AM

Not when most of the other senators were applauding it. That's how liberty died.

Edited by M84 on Oct 8th 2025 at 7:53:41 PM

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#50522: Oct 8th 2025 at 4:55:19 AM

...With thunderous applause.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Starbug Men of Letters Field Agent from Variable (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Men of Letters Field Agent
#50523: Oct 8th 2025 at 4:59:33 AM

But how much of that applause was natural, and how much was forced?

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The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#50524: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:13:52 AM

On a serious note, I think a good chunk of senators didnt comprehend the scope of what they were approving. Most outside of obvious, Padme, Mon Mothma, etc, just heard big man say big words and thats worth clapping for. Probably didnt realize he was serious about THE FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE til meeting was adjoured

Everything they did to help the empire like sycophants pretty much cemented their complicity

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Oct 8th 2025 at 5:16:22 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#50525: Oct 8th 2025 at 5:15:34 AM

[up][up] At least back in Legends, Palpatine did use Sith mind dominate to control the minds of certain senators.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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