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Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:12:02 PM

It's part of the reason I try to be positive about the Prequels and Sequels. The fandom is just to full of negativity. I mean I can even find at least something good in any Star Wars film. So why focus on the bad.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:12:55 AM

Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:16:45 PM

@Beatman People learned the wrong lesson from the Prequel backlash.

Instead of learning to not be so hyperbolic, or act like a film they dislike is some sort of insult, INSTEAD the lesson learned was doing those things are justified but we were wrong to do it with the Prequels.

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Tuckerscreator from Traveling through the Multiverse Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:17:59 PM

It went all the way down to the smallest details of the PT. Like, dudes, relax rather than typing essays about how buzz droids are "objectively terrible" and watch the space fights.

If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:23:13 PM

Eh...I feel like people should be allowed to Analyze things and Critisize things.

It just goes...way too far in the SW fandom.

Again that's an issue with how the Behavior of the PT hate was normalized. As it allowed for guys like the "Objectively bad!" Crowd to rise from the Plinkett wannabes.

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 13th 2020 at 3:26:51 AM

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:42:44 PM

I assume a combo of the fans & not being given material that took his characters to his fullest potential.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
M84 This is bad comedy. from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
This is bad comedy.
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:44:14 PM

Boyega: "I'm going to be in the Star Wars ST? Fuck yeah!"

<reads the script>

Boyega: "...Fuck!"

Edited by M84 on Feb 13th 2020 at 9:44:24 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:48:15 PM

[up]I want him to get something good after this. But I think hes gonna stay away from franchise work for a long time.

(Still think he would be a good Bright Noa).

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
M84 This is bad comedy. from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
This is bad comedy.
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:51:50 PM

Seeing Boyega slapping some fools would be pretty sweet.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheAirman from Congratulations! Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Feb 13th 2020 at 5:55:18 PM

[up][up]&[up] I would love to John Boyega in the Gundam film (and I'm sure he would love to be in it as well), but Bright Goddamn Noa is Hong Kongese; if the film is OYW and he appears, he should be played by a Hong Kongese actor; and this a hill I will die on.

Edited by TheAirman on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:58:53 AM

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Feb 13th 2020 at 7:36:03 PM

It's a real shame. I'd love for writers/directors to turn all this around in a later project, but I'm starting to fear that the actors/actresses just wouldn't do it. It's been an awful experience for most of them.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Feb 13th 2020 at 7:48:47 PM

I still wonder why the Story Group didn't make the directors work together, I really do.

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:49:22 PM

I remember Daisy Ridley saying that she was done with Star Wars for the time being too. I'm sure it's not a Natalie Portman situation but she probably wants to put it behind her for now. Though yeah, I understand where Boyega's coming from too, Finn never really got a chance to shine very often.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
Shadao Surprised Satoshi
Surprised Satoshi
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:54:32 PM

The moment that Abrams reveals that TFA will be pandering to the haters of the PT with "real sets" and "practical effects" with OT nostalgia plastered everywhere is when the whole fandom realized they could force the ST to be whatever they want it to be. Especially after hearing that Lucas was completely snubbed from the creative process of the filmmaking. And you had to do was to be a Caustic Critic pounding the table.

There's an old saying that you do not want to feed a wild cat (or any wild animal) because if you do, the cat will follow you wanting more and more because you offer easy food.

Edited by Shadao on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:56:32 AM

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alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:58:53 PM

The moment that Abrams reveals that TFA will be pandering to the haters of the PT with "real sets" and "practical effects"
I really don't think that's "pandering to the haters of the PT" and more "enjoying real sets and practical effects."

Not everything is pandering, you know? Also, since the movies take place thirty years after the OT and not the PT, wouldn't stuff from the OT and not the PT make the most sense?

Edited by alliterator on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:59:05 AM

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Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 8:05:14 PM

Whilst I love TFA, It blatantly did try to pander to PT haters and it did give some flaws. Albeit, it wasn't as bad As TROS

As said before, Reason being TFA wasn't continuing the story of the Prequels. So it was just making its own orignal story whilst avoiding stuff from the Prequels. Unlike TROS Wich wad continuing the story of TLJ.

As for the directors thing...I'm not sure if I said it before, but the issue wasn't the lack of a Plan or the directors not working together. It was Them deciding to cower to the fans for the last installment. If they didn't do that it might have ended up amazing instead of just "Really fun but flawed as hell"

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Feb 13th 2020 at 8:08:27 PM

I still wonder why the Story Group didn't make the directors work together, I really do.

Probably because it's not their job to do so.

It's their job to keep the continuity straight (I wouldn't be surprised if they have a hand in most of the peripheral details we get via Word of God or sourcebooks), but since the directors had a bit more individual power than them if Abrams or Johnson said "I want to do this even if it contradicts X" ultimately it's the studio who chooses between them. And the studio typically chooses the director in a case like that.

It's always important to remember that Marvel's heavily centralized approach where the directors' visions are subservient to an overseeing authority who plots everything out and ensures it all fits together is rare in film, if not outright unique.

In the standard approach, story is secondary to money, and even in an adaptation directors have the freedom to try what they want and be given notes about it later.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 13th 2020 at 8:38:17 PM

Whilst I love TFA, It blatantly did try to pander to PT haters and it did give some flaws.
How? It was more trying instill nostalgia about the OT, rather than PT.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Shadao Surprised Satoshi
Surprised Satoshi
Feb 13th 2020 at 8:53:59 PM

[up] Too much nostalgia for many. Honestly, I would be much more forgiving had Starkiller Base been cut from the film.

I hate that Doomsday Device. It represents everything that was wrong about ST. So unoriginal and so derivative that TFA would be better off without it.

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Feb 13th 2020 at 9:33:53 PM

Part of me wonders if the original idea of the FO being a terrorist group stuck, we would have seen a more mobile super weapon like the Sun Crusher.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:36:11 PM

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Fans for years had been asking to stop with the CGI as Well as all the political elements and go back to smaller, simpler plots. Wich is what TFA did.

While TFA is still a great movie, that approach caused issues. Scenes with more CG planets and more new ships like the PT did would have helped give more of an orignal aesthetic and some scenes with the NR Senate could give us context for the galaxy, like why they weren't just fighting the FO head on, especially as Bloodlines ended up fucking that up in catastrophic ways.

I really wish they went with Jakku being an ocean planet instead of a desert planet like was considered, as it would be an Inversion of the Tatooine aesthetic. And with Rey constantly refusing the call to action til the 3rd act, as well as wanting to stay at her crappy planet and not leave, it would have not only had her not be a rehash of Luke But have her be an "Anti-Luke".

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:38:48 AM

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alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:42:21 PM

Fans for years had been asking to stop with the CGI as Well as all the political elements and go back to smaller, simpler plots. Wich is what TFA did.
I really don't think fans have been "asking" for anything, since nobody knew they were going to do a sequel trilogy until Disney announced it. In addition, I wouldn't call TFA "smaller" and although it's less complicated politically, it still has politics in it. In fact, scenes were filmed with the New Republic (with Maisie Richardson-Sellers as Leia's contact in the NR), but they had to be cut for time.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:49:37 PM

[up]It does have a feel of cathering to fans, it feel pretty much a "back to the basic" that for many went waaaay to far in that direction

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:57:16 PM

I just find nostalgia really oppressive now.

Also dull. Way too many products banking on nostalgia now.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:59:38 PM

I dont mind nostalgia but I find TFA too much of author saving throw, it feel too "let take that bullshit and go stright to the good stuff!"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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