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Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of Star Wars movies and shows, and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

    Original text of OP 
Hello and welcome! This here thread is a spoiler-free zone! Because I didn't want to be tempted to read anymore spoilers for Rise of Skywalker!

Things that are acceptable here:

  • Trailers and trailer speculation
  • Discussion of the Star Wars movies and what we would like to see/not like to see in them.
  • Discussion about anything and everything Star Wars, just...no spoilers.

Things that are not-acceptable here:

  • Spoilers! No talking about the leaks!
  • Being mean! If you disagree with someone's opinion, try not to come across as mean or rude.

And here. we. go.

Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer:

Mr. Sunday's Ten Easy To Miss Details in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Final Trailer Breakdown):

This cool mashup of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker and Avengers: Endgame trailers:

And also here's a trailer for The Mandalorian:

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 31st 2024 at 8:23:29 PM

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Brightness
#326: Nov 29th 2019 at 2:35:14 PM

[up][up]Star Wars also has zero cultural legacy in China. TFA was the first one released there (legally, at any rate). Even setting aside political stuff, there was never any reason to expect the mainland to go crazy for it the way the rest of the world did.

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#327: Nov 29th 2019 at 2:56:45 PM

It's unsurprising that Star Wars is successful in Japan, especially given the influence of Samurai movies. Incidentally, I now kind of wanna see a Shonen take on Star Wars. It's kind of close as-is that I could kind of see it being awesome.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#328: Nov 29th 2019 at 2:59:00 PM

Well a bunch of Star Wars manga was recently announced but its all about the OT I think.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#329: Nov 29th 2019 at 3:12:59 PM

If Star Wars had a Shonen anime OP:

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#330: Nov 29th 2019 at 3:25:21 PM

There were Star Wars manga from Dark Horse Comics between 1998 and 1999.

They were really bloody and Leia was adorable.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 29th 2019 at 3:28:27 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#331: Nov 29th 2019 at 4:28:39 PM

... did we ever find out what happened to Obi-Wan's lightsaber?

There's no way Vader didn't keep it as a trophy (though even if that's true we never see anything like it anyway), but that still means any number of things could have happened to it.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#332: Nov 29th 2019 at 6:16:53 PM

[up] I was all set to link a big article on it until I realized it was Legends and not Canon. Whoops.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#333: Nov 29th 2019 at 7:12:04 PM

Well they unceremoniously killed off Ackbar so they would need to spend a lot of time building up a fleet commander to put him up against Thrawn.
I don't understand, why would you need a fleet commander to put against Thrawn? I thought the whole point of Thrawn was that he could out-think any other person in the military and therefore it was someone outside of the military that had to take him down — basically, Leia convincing the Noghri to switch sides and therefore taking away the Empire's advantage (and getting Thrawn's Noghri bodyguard to assassinate him).

All you need to put against Thrawn is someone that he thinks is lower than him, but who thinks outside the box. Actually, Thrawn would make a very interesting Villain Protagonist if Disney ever decided to do a movie with a Villain Protagonist.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 29th 2019 at 7:13:59 AM

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#334: Nov 29th 2019 at 7:41:49 PM

Exploiting Thrawn's blind spots is the key to beating him, yes, but if you want defeating a villain to mean something, you must first establish that villain as a credible threat. Thrawn's areas of expertise are fleet-based strategy, large-scale logistics, and exploiting intel; therefore, to properly display his competence as an antagonist, it would be wise to pit him against a credible fleet commander to give him a chance to display his skills.

Incidentally, this is why I was a tad wary when Thrawn was first announced to be joining the cast of Rebels; hunting down a fledgling Rebel cell with an OT-era Imperial force is a huge waste of talents for someone whose combat talents are much more suited for punching above his fleet's weight class with a combination of strategy and competent underlings. (That said, I still have little idea of how the plot of Rebels actually progressed, so maybe I was worried over nothing?)

but HOW?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#335: Nov 29th 2019 at 7:44:56 PM

Thrawn's areas of expertise are fleet-based strategy, large-scale logistics, and exploiting intel; therefore, to properly display his competence as an antagonist, it would be wise to pit him against a credible fleet commander to give him a chance to display his skills.
Ah, you want someone who can suffer The Worf Effect. But, I mean, that's kind of simple? Just either reintroduce someone we've already seen or introduce someone new — but you don't need to build them up, since Thrawn will be knocking them down easily anyway. All you need is someone dialogue or a montage of Thrawn's military victories or whatever to establish his credentials.

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#336: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:00:01 PM

Show, don't tell, my friend. Again, you get more mileage out of characters with established on-screen cred. Just going, "Oh my god, Thrawn just beat General Garm, and he was the military genius who invented the A-Wing slash technique! This Grand Admiral guy's unstoppable!" is kinda underwhelming compared to if we were to actually see our friendly neighborhood general in action. Have our Worf pull out crazy tactics on the fly like hiding ship signatures in A-Wing exhaust trails or something, stuff that's obviously inventive and evidence of a keen mind in and of itself. Then have him fail anyways because Thrawn immediately pieces together what just happened through sensor reports and just plain eyeballing the battle, checks what tech he has available on his ships, orders some clever repurposing to counter the strategy with stuff that was most certainly NOT designed to be used that way, and takes back the upper hand with ease. Instant cred for both sides, with no character shilling necessary.

but HOW?
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#337: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:04:52 PM

I can imagine Thrawn if he's still alive to kinda take over things after ROS.

The galaxy needs leadership now & it should be someone with some class.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 29th 2019 at 8:05:03 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#338: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:08:08 PM

Show, don't tell, my friend.
I mean, discounting the stuff outside of the movies, Admiral Ackbar was all tell and no show. He had pretty much one big scene (the "It's a trap" scene) and a few scenes of him talking and that was it. His exploits and his military genius was stuff that was later incorporated via the books and comics.

It would be pretty simple to do the same with a different Rebellion/Resistance character. Hell, get that guy from Rogue One that was Cassian's superior.

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#339: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:13:24 PM

Won't argue with you there. I specifically refrained from mentioning Ackbar earlier because he was never really anything more than a meme in Return of the Jedi.

but HOW?
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#340: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:14:38 PM

It could be interesting to see a veteran Imperial like Thrawn trying to direct a fleet of zealous but inexperienced First Order loyals. Maybe that's how you nerf him; his tactics are sound but these rabid newbies really just can't resist diving in for the kill. [lol]

But it won't happen because Thrawn's an EU character and means pretty much nothing to the filmgoing public at large the way the return of Sidious does. tongue

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#341: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:35:27 PM

[up]x6 Well its old EU but.

Actually no, more a Battle of Wits. Ackbar actually wasn't ever Worfed, he was always treated as one of the few people in the galaxy to actually keep up with him and not just destroyed outright, many other commanders were Worfed before him. And considering Thrawn had access to an old bug planted in the Senate by the Emperor... that was flat out amazing for someone who made his career about fighting Imperials who used the Tarkin doctrine and nothing else but.

The final battle actually had Ackbar actually take the advantage in the battle, despite it being a complete trap. We never got to see the conclusion to the slugfest though as Thrawn was assassinated before he could try to counter and the second in command ordered a retreat as he did not know how to counter the NR forces breaking through their formation.

Edited by Memers on Nov 29th 2019 at 8:40:45 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#342: Nov 30th 2019 at 10:27:12 AM

Okey, reading the whole kabuki stuff, it said this:

" "He also revealed a surprising choice for his personal favorite character. “I like Jar Jar. Iyasaremasu. There’s just something I like about him.”

....people can surprise you.

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#343: Nov 30th 2019 at 11:25:43 AM

(That said, I still have little idea of how the plot of Rebels actually progressed, so maybe I was worried over nothing?)

Without spoiling too much, the Empire would've straight up won had they listened to Thrawn instead of letting pettiness and gloryhounding get in the way; and mass producing his TIE Defenders would've been a vastly greater use of time and resources than sinking everything into the Death Star. Even with all that he only loses because of being blindsided by Force shenanigans he had no way of accounting for. Still kicking around somewhere in the galaxy though.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#344: Nov 30th 2019 at 12:27:38 PM

That’s a thing in the Vader comic too. When given the choice, the Empire will always pick superficial might and overwhelming force that comes with flaws over efficient might that isn’t as impressive but does the job more effectively.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#345: Nov 30th 2019 at 1:04:54 PM

"When given the choice between doing what is right and doing what is not right, the Empire will choose the later course every time."

- Ben Franklin, Rebel Alliance statesman.

Edited by Parable on Nov 30th 2019 at 1:07:10 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#346: Nov 30th 2019 at 1:14:04 PM

The Essential Atlas and Guide to Warfare explained the Empire's rationale in acting like that thusly: space is big. Even with the resources of the Empire, policing every corner of an entire galaxy for seditiousness would be impossible - unless you had a big, showy thing that could make everyone scared of you, all at the same time, thus, the Death Star.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#347: Nov 30th 2019 at 1:24:13 PM

Also, hard to said that about the empire now in this timeline since it result the death star was sabotage by the rebel aliance, a sabotage the only pull off by the skin of their teeth.

Now, the starkiller? that is a fucking shame.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#348: Nov 30th 2019 at 1:39:01 PM

Also, hard to said that about the empire now in this timeline since it result the death star was sabotage by the rebel aliance
It wasn't sabotaged by the Rebel Alliance — it was sabotaged by its creator, who was killed by the Rebel Alliance. The Rebel Alliance is just lucky that a) he had a conscience and didn't want to create the Death Star in the first place and b) his daughter decided to find the plans that show exactly where he put the flaw and give them to the Rebel Alliance.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#349: Nov 30th 2019 at 2:13:06 PM

And the sabotage wasn't actually the infamous exhaust port itself IIRC - it was that a single hit to the reactor would be enough to send the whole thing up in smoke.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#350: Nov 30th 2019 at 2:18:21 PM

[up][up]Okey find and even that the rebell aliance have to pull everything into getting the plans, which show how hard the rebels have to do in order to win against the Death star.

I feel the whole things get bad rep that is underserving....unlike the starkiller, which it deserve it.

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