Critical Research Failure cleanup

I don't watch it but anything that has to do with judging a fandom is blatantly not CRF.

Cut it. The creators and network execs might have the demographic data to factually state where the average Rick and Morty viewer falls on the political spectrum. The layman does not.

Bringing up the following example from Animaniacs:

• Critical Research Failure: "Yakko's World" isn't exactly a great way to learn geography. Aside from being outdated and countries changing names, it also refers to regions of countries and territories as nations, like Tibet, Guam, Puerto Rico, et cetera, mislabels countries, and egregiously refers to Asia, San Juan and Algiers as countries (the first is a continent, the latter two being cities). This video sums up all the errors.

Yeah, that’s fair.

Not quite sure about how familiar the general public is with some of that information (or at least not the American audience), but listing Asia as a country is egregious enough for me to consider the entry valid. Plus, any viewer who lives in or near those regions would definitely recognize if they're nations or not.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 22nd 2020 at 10:27:34 AM

For Rick and Morty, that would fall under Periphery Demographic regarding liberal creators and alt-right fans.

YMMV.Steam Train: Both of these fall under fandom misconceptions. Tsundere maybe is mainstream enough to be recognized as false, but the definition doesn't actually sound that incorrect - it doesn't apply to every tsundere but definitely sounds like a typical plot in which a tsundere would appear.

• Critical Research Failure:
  • The crew, especially Arin, rails on Trials Fusion for being a poorly designed, unplayable mess that is impossible to beat. They were playing the Level Editor...
  • Arin also said during part 4 of the Sakura Spirit playthrough that a Tsundere is a girl who angrily rejects sex, only for a guy to advance on her anyway, and then she decides in the end that she wants it. Neither Ross or Danny seemed to realize how inaccurate that definition is.

This was just added to YMMV.Goosebumps.

• Critical Research Failure: Mr. Mortman assigning Huckleberry Finn and Frankenstein for a preteen to read as part of a summer program. He also buys her Blatant Lies that she liked the description for Huckleberry Finn the best. Lucy is established as Brilliant, but Lazy, and usually, those books are assigned at a high school level, if not college. The TV series fixes this by having Lucy check out Frankenstein with no reading program and half-heartedly receive recommendations from Mr. Mortman.

I don't think that's CRF, but I do recall discussing a trope concept for schools in fiction that teach material that's usually seen as too advanced for that grade in real life. Also I think some middle schools do teach Huck Finn or at least similar Mark Twain fare, though it does seem to be more of a high school book.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 4th 2020 at 7:42:31 AM

Huck Finn isn't wildly out of the realm of possibility for middle school or even late elementary (I read it in 6th grade IIRC).

Frankenstein is pretty advanced for pre-HS, but given that it's thematically appropriate for Goosebumps one could make the argument that it's intentional Artistic License.

I say cut.

I found this on Game Dev Tycoon:

• Critical Research Failure:
  • For some reason, Horror and Adventure is considered a bad combination despite the fact that many acclaimed horror games have their roots in the adventure genre. Thankfully, this was fixed through updates.
  • This game says "Dialogues are bad for Simulation or Strategy games, so keep it below 20% development time". But Blizzard says, "That game needs an ass-whoopin'".
  • The original version considered Time Travel/RPG to be an "odd" combination scoring low points. This was fixed as a result of player feedback.
  • When designing a new game, "online" and "multiplayer" are mutually exclusive choices.
  • According to the game, Wild West and Adventure is a bad combination. Al Lowe would likely disagree.
  • The game completely neglects appeal of Retraux and you are outright prohibited from gaining high scores for Large and AAA titles if they are in 2D. This includes things like Strategy and especially Casual games (which demand extreme focus on cutting-edge graphics).

I'm not sure if this actually fits; the trope is about research being severely wrong, and whether games are good or not seems too subjective for this trope to apply to it.

From Band of Brothers

• Critical Research Failure:
  • Private Albert Blithe is portrayed as a reluctant soldier, is shot in the neck and dies of his wounds in 1948. In real life, he was shot in the shoulder, recovered and remained in the US Army until his death in West Germany in 1967, serving abroad in Korea and as a military adviser in Taiwan. This rather major error is present in Ambrose's original book too. The rest of the company were unaware of this and felt awful after Blithe's family contacted the studio to correct them.
  • The book itself contains several major examples, a lot of which the TV series actually prunes; Ambrose refers to every German tank as a Tiger^{In fact} Tigers were quite rare during the Normandy campaign (5.3% of all German armor committed) and Commonwealth forces faced most of the ones that were there., he says the 101st had 5000 men on D-Day^{In fact} Records show it had less than half that number., he frequently gets various technical details wrong, such as gun caliber, every German unit is described as "crack" or "elite"^{In fact} German records show Easy Company fought mainly regular Wehrmacht forces., both he and Winters criticize Major-General Taylor (the 101st's commander) for being "on holiday" during the Ardennes assault^{In fact} He was on Christmas leave — something he had in common with Eisenhower — and was also attending various Pentagon conferences on how to improve the US Airborne divisions., he claims Easy Company was dropped by inexperienced pilots who had never flown at night and who did not have experience dropping partroopers and who took evasive action to save themselves^{In fact} The troop carriers were all proficient in dropping paratroopers and night flying. No pilot has less than 450 hours. Airborne complaints about the rough drop likely have more to do with the fact that the wind at the DZs was 20-30 knots (the present day safe limit is 13 knots). Incidentally, the complaints mostly came from the 101st; the 82nd, who had jumped before, actually commended the pilots. and he misidentifies the British colonel rescued by Easy as "O. Dobey"^{In fact} His name was David Dobie.

This seems more like Dan Browned since these aren't immediately evident to audiences and the book at least is presented as well-researched. Would it be safe to move these to a Dan Browned entry?

This one is for Animaniacs 2020. Is it accurate?

• The segment in Anima-Nyet takes a shot at Nicolas Maduro's regime of Venezuela, while putting him as the host of a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?-like show. The winners of the show receive bolivares, even thought before Maduro became president the currency was renamed Bolivares Fuertes (BS.F) by the defunct Hugo Chávez.

Edited by Tomodachi on Nov 24th 2020 at 7:22:43 AM

Bringing up the following example from Dan Slotts Fantastic Four:

• Critical Research Failure: There is an object at the Baxter Building that Reed did not take with him, because it's in a fixed point in space, in the universe. But it is absurd to think that the Baxter Building is in a fixed point in space. It's on planet earth, a planet that rotates, that moves in an orbit around the sun, and in a solar system that moves across the galaxy (and the galaxy itself also moves across the universe). It can even be reasoned that, as the universe does not have special boundaries and everything in it is moving, there can be no fixed points in the universe.

Torch it. This argument is too far removed from the story to break Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

Which is the problem with the FF example? It meets all the rules: it is obvious to the layman (we all know that Earth and all celestial bodies are moving in space, even if ignoring the details), it is a fact regarding the real world, and unless Word of God says otherwise, it was clearly not intentional.

What about everyday usage? When something that people mention all the time (such as currency) has a long name, and "long" may be just 2 words or a long word, people make it short. If I go to a shop in Venezuela and ask "Cuánto cuesta una lata de Pepsi?" they will reply "Cincuenta mil millones de Bolívares", not "Bolívares fuertes", official name be damned.

Edited by GrigorII on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:47:38 AM

It's quite nitpicky. Technically it's true, but even physicists will understand when people say 'fixed point' they usually mean fixed relative to something.

Anyway, I'd like to bring this up:

Lily Orchid's "Steven Universe Is Garbage, Here's Why" video had several errors, which served as a part of its... less than stellar reception.
1 Her discussion of Concrete seems to be unaware that the Crewniverse openly removed it from further printings of the Artbook mere days after it was discovered.
2 Her discussion of "A Single Pale Rose" claims that the main plot twist of Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond being the same person was barely foreshadowed if at all, and add that the crew likely just stole it from a popular fan theory. This in spite of the fact that fans have found hints to the twist dating back to not only the first episode, but the original pilot as well.
3 Lily rants for a while that the above-mentioned plot twist made Rose into a horrible person and claims that the story continues to treat her as morally perfect. While the issue with Rose is a subjective one, it's clear that Rose is meant to be morally flawed at best. In fact, the revelation causes a major case of Broken Pedestal for Sapphire.
4 She acts as though Rebecca Sugar has at least some control over scheduling of the show (easily one of the biggest complaints the show received), even though the crew has made it clear that it's completely out of their control.

A bit ironically, points 2 to 4 seem to be CRF in and of itself. For point 2 Lily mentions that she believes the "hints" are simply unintentional coincidence. For point 3, she was actually saying the show made her Unintentionally Unsympathetic. And for point 4, her argument was that even if scheduling is out of the crew's control, making the episodes isn't and the crew should've wrote less filler episodes in response to said scheduling issues.

Edited by BreadBull on Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:13:45 PM

(Might wanna drop some spoiler tags for that Rose twist, mate...)

And as for 1 and 3, 1 seems to refer to a lack of mentioned information (and even if Concrete was removed with an apology, it's still cringeworthy that it got in there to begin with) and 3 outright admits the depiction of Rose is subjective, though it is true that she's depicted as flawed from that point on. Still, it's all about fandom stuff, so probably not Critical Research Failure...maybe Dan Browned since she's depicting herself as an authority on why the show fails?

While you have a point, as we still call the currency just Bolivares. The fact the episode is parodying Who wants to be a millionaire that by default has to use the official term, just made me feel nitpicky.

Oh, right. I thought the twist is It Was His Sled by this point but I forgot the show's still relatively new. Not sure about Dan Browned either though; in the end Lily's still just stating her opinion.

Also, another one from Game Theory:

• Mat Pat claiming that "Overwatch is being sold as a complete game at full price, but that’s because it is." At that time, objectively speaking, TF 2 had way more content, including a horde survival co-op mode, offline bot matches, and an ass-ton more maps and gamemodes (Overwatch doesn't have offline-bot matches, The first Overwatch anniversary event in late-2016 added a co-op mode, and a workshop-style system was added in 2019, three years later!). To be fair, TF 2 on release in 2007 had 6 maps and 3 games modes (Territorial Control, Capture the Flag, and Control Point) when it was sold in the Orange Box pack, and then as a stand-alone game. Though bear in mind that in 2007, The Orange Box was a collection of games, it didn't just contain TF 2, so the limited game modes and such can be chalked up to needing the disk space for other games in The Orange Box, a problem Overwatch didn't have as it's always been a standalone game. However, by the time TF 2 was released into the Free-to-play format, it contained 33 official maps and 8 official games modes.

So...yeah. This bullet seems to take 'complete' to mean 'has more stuff'.

Edited by BreadBull on Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:25:43 PM

"Objectively speaking" they say, before going on a natter-filled rant about how much better Team Fortress 2 is than Overwatch. Also, in a world of games being released and then getting subsequent updates adding more content over the course of several years, there's practically no such thing as a "complete" game. Nuke that shit.

Done.

A few more, because I feel like knocking these out today:

• A minor example in "That Game of Thrones Browser Game You've Been Seeing Ads for is Garbage." Six minutes into the video, Jay Exci, the uploader, complains that Kevin, a member of the Night's Watch you can recruit in-game, doesn't have a very Game of Thrones-like name. Since the uploader only watched Season 1, he'd never heard of the similarly named Kevan Lannister (Tywin's brother, as well as Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion's uncle), and acknowledged the mistake in the follow-up video.

This one's a bit iffier, but sounds like a case of Reality Is Unrealistic. I'm sure there are plenty of real-world names that don't sound like they're from the culture they're from.

• Wicked Binge:
  • In their Good to Evil video on Family Guy, Bonnie Swanson is listed under the good scale even though she was known for trying to kill or hurt Joe in several episodes up to and including putting shards of glass in his food.
  • Their video on The Cleveland Show is worse. They grant Auntie Momma the gold metal for "good" glossing over how he had relations with Cleveland's dad behind his wife's back.

Long dicussion on philosophy, ethics, and Values Dissonance.

• There have been countless videos taken down due to You Tube recognizing bogus copyright claims. So many that listing them all would take all day, so that's all we're saying on the matter.

I don't even know what to say on this one.

• Jello Apocalypse's "So This is Basically Kingdom Hearts":
  • He describes the battle system thus: "Start the game mashing one button and finish the game mashing two buttons!" As any player of the games will mention, you won't get far just doing that, especially on the higher difficulties. He seems completely ignorant of things such as magic, dodging, blocking and countering, strategic use of Drive Forms, Limits, Summons, etc. and other techniques which don't only use the X and Triangle buttons.
  • He claims that the games consider dodging optional. The only time this is true is in the Final Mix version of Kingdom Hearts II, in which Dodge Roll is unlocked by levelling up Limit Form. In all other games, a dodge ability of some kind (whether it be Dodge Roll, Slide, Cartwheel, etc.) is either available right from the start, or automatically given to the player early in the story.

Playing sub-optimally? Probably. Factually wrong? Eh...someone who knows the game chime in on whether one can beat it by Button Mashing and not dodging.

Edited by BreadBull on Dec 2nd 2020 at 1:15:32 PM

I just noticed that I myself commited a failure. I's not Bolivares fuertes anymore, but Bolivares Soberanos for roughly two years ago.

Jesus Christ, how did I forgot?

Bringing up the following example from Doctor Who S29 E12 "The Sound of Drums":

• Critical Research Failure: Davies later admitted he used the title "President-elect" just because he thought it sounded cooler than simply "President," not knowing it actually refers to a newly elected President in the two months before they officially take office, with the actual position still held by the previous President in a "lame duck" period.

OK example (most people should know what a president-elect is), but ccould be made less Amerocentric; would fit under Artistic License – Politics even if it's not CRF.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:44:57 AM