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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#126: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:49:28 PM

...no, they didn't? They show Felicity leaving with the Monitor, but that's it. As far as we know, Oliver is just straight up dead at that point.

If Felicity and Oliver are alive, it would be weird that they essentially left their children behind. Especially Oliver who never even got a chance to raise his daughter.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 10th 2019 at 2:50:15 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#127: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:57:28 PM

Felicity talked about being reunited with him.

And you put it as if Oliver had a choice in the matter, its not like he did it voluntarily. As for Felicity, she left them behind in the future only after she experienced firsthand that they are now capable of looking after themselves.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#128: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:02:35 PM

Felicity talked about being reunited with him.
I think that was more "reunited with him before he dies."

And you put it as if Oliver had a choice in the matter, its not like he did it voluntarily.
He left with the Monitor because he didn't have a choice and he knows that he's going to die. Saving the multiverse and then dying is a good reason not to come back to your kids; saving the multiverse and then leaving for a paradise dimension is not.

The reason that the Golden Age Superman and Lois Lane go to the paradise dimension in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths is because there is, literally, nothing else for them. Their home has been destroyed/incorporated into the new Post-Crisis Earth, which already has a Superman and Lois.

If Oliver and Felicity were given a chance, after saving the multiverse, to go live in a paradise dimension....without their friends and family and children...why would they do it? Unless the choice is literally "death or paradise dimension," which would also seem weird.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 10th 2019 at 3:05:32 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#129: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:04:34 PM

Ah ok, now I know what you mean.

Well what I meant was that it might be a bit different than in the comics, with Oliver dying and THEN going to the Paradise Dimension, basically like the Afterlife, with Felicity joining him voluntarily.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#130: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:06:24 PM

Ah, okay. If it's like the afterlife, then sure, I can see it. I can totally see Felicity deciding to be Together in Death.

The original paradise dimension in Crisis wasn't the afterlife, though, since those characters (Golden Age Superman and Lois, Superboy Prime, and Alexander Luthor Jr) ended up coming back for Infinite Crisis.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 10th 2019 at 3:07:22 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#131: Nov 10th 2019 at 5:56:47 PM

Yes, and comic book characters who die and go to the afterlife never, ever come back . . .

I guess this hinges on your theological beliefs. If you think Heaven is a real place, then dying and having your spirit go to eternal paradise, as opposed to being physically transported to eternal paradise . . . it's really the same thing, just skipping a step.

At any rate, when the Monitor took Felicity through the portal at the end of last season, I'm pretty sure he said something along the lines that, once she goes through, there's no coming back. That likely applies to Oliver as well: whether dead or in another plane of existence, returning to Earth is not (seemingly) an option.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#132: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:00:55 PM

So this is cool: Marv Wolfman, the writer for the original Crisis on Infinite Earths, is co-writing the fourth episode of Crisis (which is the Arrow episode).

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#133: Nov 12th 2019 at 12:07:58 PM

Seems like Jennifer and Anissa will be in Crisis too smile

https://thedeadtoons.com/black-lightnings-china-anne-mcclain-flirts-with-destruction/

And Freeland is actually gonna feel the consequences of it?!

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#134: Nov 15th 2019 at 1:27:41 PM

19 new photos from Part One of Crisis on Infinite Earths just showed up on fansite "Green Arrow TV.com".

One of the first pictures seems to serve as setting up for the Superman and Lois spin-off series with baby Jonathan Kent.

A set of new teasers were also released today:

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Nov 15th 2019 at 7:40:43 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#135: Nov 15th 2019 at 7:02:13 PM

Jefferson seems a little miffed at them.

Does his universe get scrubbed before they grab him?

And we all know Kate is not going to relish working with Barry and Oliver again, considering they caused a break out at Arkham the last time they were there.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#136: Nov 15th 2019 at 7:04:49 PM

What a time to live in when Batwoman & Superman are on the same TV show in comic accurate costumes as apart of a big television event.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#137: Nov 15th 2019 at 7:38:44 PM

wild mass guess I'd guess that the new Lois and Clark is going to be that "paradise Earth" that Earth-1 Superman and Lois end up on, but it's conceptually merged with the Rebirth Superman family.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
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#139: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:26:31 AM

[up] Dun Dun DUNNNNNNN!

I remember reading reports that he'd be a Bruce Wayne from the future, but I guess in a crossover that involves alternate universes, Conroy being Kingdom Come!Batman makes more sense.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#140: Nov 21st 2019 at 12:56:02 PM

Stargirl will debut during CW's Crisis. She'll, of course, be from a different Earth, since Earth-1 already had a Stargirl during World War II.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#141: Nov 23rd 2019 at 6:55:39 AM

I'm a little disappointed we're getting a Legends lead-in to the Crisis.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#142: Nov 23rd 2019 at 9:36:48 PM

what legends doesnt start till after the crisis is over its got a special episode for the final crisis part and then its season starts in january

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#143: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:03:59 PM

Oh damn, here is promo for Crisis.

Specifically, there's a line in there that is very interesting: "We might lose the planet, but we can still save the people." Earth 38 combining with Earth 1?

Edited by alliterator on Nov 24th 2019 at 2:06:48 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#144: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:49:47 PM

Maybe.

We'll have to wait and see I'd say.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#145: Nov 24th 2019 at 3:13:33 PM

Y'know, I wonder if anyone's gonna bring up that time Zoom built a machine that could destroy the entire multiverse (save Earth 1) in a single go, and why the bad guy just doesn't build one of those himself.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#146: Nov 24th 2019 at 5:13:08 PM

He might. There is that moment in the comics where the Anti-Monitor built an Anti-Matter Cannon, which is when the Flash ran around so fast he destroyed it, but died, too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#147: Nov 24th 2019 at 5:32:01 PM

I was thinking something similar.

The question is, did the Monitor get the idea from Zoom, or did Zoom maybe hear about a thing where a dude tried to destroy the universe and built his own version.

Remember. He's a time traveller. He could have learned about it through different trips through time and space.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#148: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:05:18 PM

What I really want most, whether it happens in the crossover itself or in the Arrow episodes leading up to it, is Oliver going, "Mar Novu, you have failed this multiverse!"

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#149: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:09:50 PM

And then he pulls out the Boxing Glove arrow.

It's the only way to end things properly.tongue

And yes, I do know he did it way back in Season 3 (though it was an impromptu one), but that was Season 3.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#150: Nov 24th 2019 at 11:59:32 PM

Great teaser. So lookong forward to see all these people interact, especially Routh Supes and Black Lightning smile

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