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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#501: Jan 15th 2021 at 10:28:17 AM

Think Flash will last much longer? Or Legends?

Edited by Blueace on Jan 15th 2021 at 3:28:54 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#502: Jan 15th 2021 at 10:32:09 AM

Flash, I have no fears about. That show might actually outlast Arrow in terms of Season numbers. It's the Arrowverse show with the most consistently good ratings.

Legends, yeah, I think that might be a candidate for cancellation, unfortunately. Budget cuts in every season and also declining viewership. Hope they at least make it to Episode 100.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 15th 2021 at 7:32:24 PM

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#503: Jan 15th 2021 at 5:11:36 PM

I'm wondering if David Ramsey's guest appearances this season will be their way of still doing a quasi-crossover.

Like, it's possible that John Diggle will show up on four different shows for completely unrelated reasons, but it would make more sense if there's some plotline he's involved in that takes him from one show to the next, letting them do a story that weaves together the series without having to have the casts all together on one set.

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#504: Jan 15th 2021 at 5:33:09 PM

At long as Grant Gustin wants to do Flash. I think the show will continue.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#505: Jan 16th 2021 at 2:10:01 AM

I almost fear that Batwoman might actually be the next show to be cancelled (already).

That show went through a lot of things and it is only just at Season 2 now.

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#506: Jan 16th 2021 at 3:00:05 AM

Part of me wonders if the 'verse as a whole is kinda winding down now. We could get a few more seasons of Flash potentially, but I could definitely see Batwoman and Superman and Lois being realtively short-runners. Legends is kinda hard to predict, but I don't think it'll be the last one standing.

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#507: Jan 16th 2021 at 8:56:35 AM

Supergirl ending, Black Lightning ending, a new Batwoman, Green Arrow and the Canaries not being picked up, and now no crossover.

This years batch of the Arrowverse is starting up on a lot of lowpoints so far

On the other hand, Yara Flor and Naomi are coming to the CW.

I think Black Lightning ending at four seasons is for the best as it avoids potential Seasonal Rot.

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#508: Jan 16th 2021 at 9:58:07 AM

Stargirl is also apparently remaining on its corner, for a while at least.

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#509: Jan 16th 2021 at 10:10:57 AM

Oh Yara and Naomi are gonna be interesting shows.

Essentially brand new characters, so unlike with previous shows there's no wealth of history that they can build off of.

Like Naomi has that one volume they can prolly make an entire season out of but once thats done its gonna be off the rails. tongue

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#510: Jan 16th 2021 at 10:14:23 AM

I'm beginning to notice that female-lead shows are starting to gradually outnumber the male-lead shows.

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#511: Jan 16th 2021 at 10:49:20 AM

Naomi has a second volume coming, and given it was a Bendis work, you'll really need to do a lot to fill even 6 episodes. Yara, on the other hand is on a bunch of issues of Future State, which will only last like another month and whatever comes next is a bunch of question signs.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 16th 2021 at 3:53:01 PM

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#512: Jan 16th 2021 at 10:54:13 AM

Heh now I wonder which will come first.

Naomi's show or the 2nd volume of her comic? tongue

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#513: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:15:43 AM

Hard to say. If it's supposed to even be worked on right now.

So, how likely is it that Wonder Girl does the same Supergirl did and take several Wonder Woman rogues and stories?

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#514: Jan 17th 2021 at 5:30:42 PM

I almost fear that Batwoman might actually be the next show to be cancelled (already).

I still can't believe Ruby just up and left after one season. For pity's sake, the COIE event had Kevin "Batman" Conroy himself just to prop her up as the best and now that whole thing just reeks of irony. Did we ever find out why she left or is that still up in the air?

Like Naomi has that one volume they can prolly make an entire season out of but once thats done its gonna be off the rails. tongue

The term "counting chickens before they hatch" is blaring in my mind.

Heh now I wonder which will come first.

Naomi's show or the 2nd volume of her comic? tongue

Still not appreciating the radio silence over that second volume...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 17th 2021 at 5:32:13 AM

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#515: Jan 17th 2021 at 5:32:20 PM

Apparently, it had to do with that injury she had and the tv work schedule not being to her liking. At least, I think it was that. So far, there isn't anything about a scandal on set or anything.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 17th 2021 at 10:34:20 AM

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#516: Jan 17th 2021 at 5:39:07 PM

Yeah, it was just the workload of filming a 20+ episode season turned out to be more than she felt she could deal with.

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#517: Feb 7th 2021 at 11:14:58 AM

I just found out almost nothing aired in 2020, which means I could in theory pick up where I dropped off. But do I want to? I domiss Arrowverse, but I also remember the bad parts.

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#518: Feb 7th 2021 at 11:40:35 PM

I keep hearing of this complaint/critique about teams in the Arrowverse shows?

What is that about?

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#519: Feb 8th 2021 at 2:46:35 PM

It's generally about how the shows will add heroes from other corners of the DCU as supporting cast. See Arrow bringing in Bronze Tiger, Mr Terrific, Mad Dog and two different Black Canaries.

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#520: Feb 8th 2021 at 2:57:08 PM

Yeah that does sound overcrowded. Surprised Flash brought in Vibe of all characters.

I also hear that it has to do with the main characters being overtly reliant on the base team to make decisions. Like Flash needing Starlabs to solve every problem or something.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#521: Feb 8th 2021 at 3:24:42 PM

Supergirl is pretty good on that front, she has her Superfriends, but they are not always called upon, she still does a lot of stuff herself.

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#522: Feb 8th 2021 at 4:20:07 PM

That was mostly it. The issue became that they were including so many characters each show was a checklist of random names from the DC universe, with many of them barely resembling their character. Black Canary never got the respect she deserved (being turned into a Decomposite Character with at least five different characters having some combination of Canary, Lance and Dinah in their name), with only Sara Lance being agreed as consistently awesome. Each show became an ensemble cast, which ended up making the shows more homogenous in tone and subject matter at the expense of the main character. It didn't help either that they tended to select actors that looked alike, with even Supergirl having the line "You look like the cast of a CW show."

The thing was that Arrow started off with Oliver running around by himself doing a Private Eye Monologue, but the show didn't really start clicking with audiences and critics until he brought in Diggle and Felicity into his inner circle. That worked well because it more resembled a Robin/Jim Gordon/Alfred/Lucious Fox type of allies, not really a team but partners and allies with their own areas of focus, making it okay if they weren't around every episode. So the Flash saw how a "team" worked for Arrow and set up a team from the start, but by its second season you started seeing diminishing returns from doing both the Myth Arc and the melodrama for each character.

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#523: Feb 12th 2021 at 4:01:55 PM

Don't mean to be doomsaying, but now with Wonder Girl not being picked up on top of all the other bad news for the Arrowverse this year, my hopes for Painkiller and Naomi have also decreased.

I really wonder if we are witnessing the first stage of the end of this verse.

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#524: Feb 12th 2021 at 4:24:28 PM

I don't really see it. Batwoman, The Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow have all been renewed for next season, and there's decent odds Superman & Lois will be as well. That's four shows all airing at once; that's plenty for any franchise.

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#525: Feb 25th 2021 at 12:59:56 PM

3 actors added to Painkiller spin-off

https://deadline.com/2021/02/painkiller-black-lightning-sibongile-mlambo-alexander-hodge-jame-roch-1234694682/

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