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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:19:24 AM
In actual news, the special envoy to Ukraine who quit the other day is testifying before the House right now.
Early reports from right wingers were saying that the whole thing was turning out to be a nothingburger, but the latest news says the envoy warned Giuliani that his "dirt" on Biden was not credible. And that he thought "it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."
I was originally fairly pessimistic on the chances of impeachment delivering a win for the Democrats, but the public has come around on it in a truly major way. We’re at the point now where they’d probably hurt themselves more by not impeaching.
I think it helps that this most recent scandal is both very simple and undeniably connected to Trump compared to previous scandals.
Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 3rd 2019 at 2:47:37 AM
They should have sent a poet.I personally feel like the question of whether or not they should attempt to impeach isn't really relevant because Democrats have already decided to go through with it. At this point, I'd rather them see it through to the end rather than change their minds. I'm just waiting to see how this whole thing develops.
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The thing is, the question has always primarily been one of public opinion. The chances of impeachment leading to Trump’s removal from office seem slim to none, what really matters is how this affects elections for the Democrats going forward.
Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 3rd 2019 at 3:06:57 AM
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I'd put it more like "if the Senate doesn't pick up on the sea-change in public opinion" about the impeachment. If it does (which it has a history of doing, even despite people like Mitch), then impeachment before the election is actually achievable.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:16:58 AM
It’s worth keeping in mind how the impeachment process works. The House votes to impeach, and if they do the articles of impeachment go to the Senate which then holds a trial and votes on whether to remove the president from office. An impeachment is basically like an indictment, not necessarily a guilty verdict.
The House voting to impeach seems likely. The Senate voting to remove does not.
Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 3rd 2019 at 3:18:05 AM
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Exactly right, the House Dems are going to take an already damning situation and shine an even brighter light on it.
And the public is going to see, and when the Republicans shut it down then the public is going to remember and in 2020 they're going to vote.
Things could go very badly for the Republicans.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 3:17:17 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Which is why Republican senators have an interest in breaking with the leader and actually voting for impeachment.
Well, the ones who do have their noses to the winds of public opinion, at least.
The rest? <shrugs> Going down with the bad ship Turtle, most likely.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:29:14 AM
Well, the ones who do have their noses to the winds of public opinion, at least. tongue
The rest? <shrugs> Going down with the bad ship Turtle, most likely.
Indeed, turning on Trump might be the least damaging option in the long run.
But, Republicans aren't really incentivized to consider the long run. Not with the Right-wing media+base ready to shank them if they so much as dare to turn against Trump.
So I'm personally predicting that the most likely thing to happen is that they'll lash themselves to the Evil Turtle's ship and pray desperately that not too many of them drown.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTo be frank, the idea that it's a bluff is Q Anon level nonsense.
And I mean that literally.
Without any exaggeration, I could easily imagine them pushing that kind of incoherent gibberish.
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Um. How's about a massive Flat "What" on that one, mate?
Nah: this was a legit peewit on the ol' alert whistle.
The funny thing about Trump asking China to "investigate" Biden is that it wasn't too long ago that Hillary Clinton facetiously encouraged China to hack the IRS and get Trump's tax returns, saying that if Russia was going to help Trump, then it was only fair that China helped Democrats since apparently that wasn't illegal.
Considering how he's still obsessed with her, I can't imagine this didn't reach Trump and can only assume that the only thing he took from that interview was, "I can get China to help me in 2020!"
It also came down to a lot of dodgy shit happening in Florida, as well as Gore making a mistake with asking for a recount that saw Bush win.
I'm not sure if enough Republicans in the Senate will cross the aisle to vote against Trump, but I imagine if the House Dems do a good enough job building the case against Trump and get enough popular support you will get more than a few. And before people bring up the current opinion polls for impeachment, Nixon had better polls in his favour at the start of the impeachment process and as more and more came to light the polls slowly but surely turned against him.

And many people would benefit from a quick course in how impeachment is designed to work and how this one is playing out.
Being anxious over this? Is a perfectly valid response. As is learning more about the process to make the unknown monster more of a known bugbear.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:18:20 AM