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This thread is intended for a civil, focused discussion on the various impeachment proceedings of President Trump and others in the administration.

Keep in mind that this is a narrowly focused thread, created to more closely manage this topic of discussion. The pros and cons of said impeachment were soft-banned in the General US Politics thread for a few months, due to incessant arguing. However, there is a high desire to discuss said events and it is of such high prominence that we are willing to give this devoted thread a try.'

Things to keep in mind:

  • This is about impeachment, votes on, investigations on, inquiries in, articles on, etc. Other American political discussions should go into the General Politics thread.
  • Standard rules apply. Civility and appropriate forum conduct are paramount.
  • Circular arguments about pros/cons are what got the topic banned in the first place. If we feel it's going circular, we will intervene. Multiple intercessions will not be looked on kindly.
  • As for that intervention, mods will be monitoring and moderating this thread more closely due to the nature of the topic, and its history in the General Politics thread. We will warn and thump in an effort to keep this thread on-topic and civil, but we are more than willing to lock it if people aren't willing to course-correct.

This thread doesn't have to be a case of Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things, but it will be, if necessary.

Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:19:24 AM

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#2676: Jan 31st 2020 at 11:53:53 AM

I wonder if it's intentional to phrase it in a way that makes it sound like she's admitting that they don't want to give a fair trial.

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#2677: Jan 31st 2020 at 12:30:51 PM

[up]X3 Depending on your mobility and physical location you could do leafleting, if you’re just putting leaflets in letterboxes you don’t need to interact with people.

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#2678: Jan 31st 2020 at 12:34:22 PM

I'll have to look into that.

I don't drive, so I walk pretty much everywhere I go. Might not be a bad idea

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#2679: Jan 31st 2020 at 1:10:01 PM

[up][up][up] That's certainly the impression I got from it, because I don't think (and hope) most people won't come away believing "Congress sucks because the Democrats are so corrupt to charge Trump like this".

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2680: Jan 31st 2020 at 2:05:22 PM

Republican Senator Marco Rubio said, "Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a president from office."

Way to admit that the law doesn't matter.

Re: Murkowski, I wonder how she'll vote on the actual impeachment. I mean, she is right that witnesses don't matter to the outcome of the trial, but that's not why the Democrats are holding it. It's about showing the public.

I get that Murkowski disdains political theater and doesn't have any reason to help the Democrats, but I'm still disappointed.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#2681: Jan 31st 2020 at 2:47:44 PM

49 to 51 just now.

Not a fair trial.

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#2682: Jan 31st 2020 at 2:53:29 PM

We will not forget this. We'll fight back, harder than we ever did before. This isn't over. Not by a long shot.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 31st 2020 at 5:53:49 AM

DarkPaladinX Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2683: Jan 31st 2020 at 2:59:59 PM

Yeah, the vote that shot down additional witness will probably hurt the GOP in the long run, but it doesn't matter since they believe Trump will win his re-election and they will win in a landslide in the Senate/House anyways regardless of how many people vote against them.

I've seen seeing a Twitter trend that America is now a dictatorship with the GOP vote to block witnesses. That being said, that's almost impossible since the Constitution establishes a term-limit for presidents. Instead, the worse we may get is a Putin style, far-right authoritarian oligarchy where the GOP control nearly every aspect of the government (which is something the GOP wants). That being said, the GOP senators just gave Trump a green-light to allow him to use his executive powers to try and silence his political opponents by asking foreign governments to investigate his potential political opponents. That being said, since we're talking about Trump here, he'll just ignore the Constitution anyways, and the GOP will justify him running for a third term should he win the re-election (this might cause a constitutional crisis if this were to happen).

Even so, the impeachment trial will backfire on the Democrats politically as well since they are unable to hold Trump accountable for his actions because of the GOP senate vote, it's very likely that the GOP will win in the landslide in the both the House and Senate simply because of the impeachment trial.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Jan 31st 2020 at 3:00:29 AM

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#2684: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:01:42 PM

Don't make me tap the "No Doomsaying" sign.

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#2685: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:04:51 PM

Sorry, wrong thread.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 31st 2020 at 4:07:19 AM

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#2686: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:08:45 PM

(Accidental post as well.)

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jan 31st 2020 at 6:11:16 AM

DarkPaladinX Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2687: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:09:35 PM

As for acquitting Trump and pardoning him for his actions with Ukraine on trying to investigate the Bidens, I'm assuming the Senate will vote to acquit him and drop the charges on party lines, hence ending the impeachment trial. This will give Trump a green-light to try to silence and suppress his political opponents like the Democrats in order for him and the GOP to maintain power in the presidency and Congress; which will set a bad precedent for any future presidents (since they may do the same thing like Donald Trump did).

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#2688: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:11:06 PM

[up][up][up][up] Don't know if you were talking to me or DarkPaladinX but I'm confident we can beat the Imperials— I mean Republicans— this November (as long as enough people get out there and vote, that is). But of course, as some of us may know, confidence is a fool's substitute for intelligence.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 31st 2020 at 6:13:54 AM

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#2689: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:13:31 PM

As long as we all get out and vote, we will.

What worries me is people who will refuse to vote if someone they don't like is selected as the candidate because "it shouldn't have to come between the lesser of two evils".

Whoever the Democratic candidate is, there are some very stubborn people who will not "vote blue no matter who"

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#2690: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:14:30 PM

I've seen seeing a Twitter trend that America is now a dictatorship with the GOP vote to block witnesses.

Are you now? (checks)

Top four results trending on Twitter right now: #ImpeachmentTrialSham, #GOPCowards, #RIPGOP, #RIPAmerica.

Hey guys. We won the impeachment. We lost the Senate trial but this was always about how the country would react to the inevitable exoneration, and we won that.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 31st 2020 at 4:15:04 AM

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#2691: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:16:43 PM

You're absolutely right on that, and it just might convince those that weren't going to vote (such as myself, perhaps? Haven't registered yet) to get out there and freaking vote.

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#2692: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:23:57 PM

You probably should, unless you want to encourage this kind of naked disinterest in the spirit of the law.

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#2693: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:26:04 PM

Absolutely register to vote. And then vote. In every election.

Don't be that guy who refuses to vote unless he has a perfect sparkling unicorn of a candidate. Look at the candidates and vote for the option that you think is better. Do that in the primary, and then do it again in the general even if your guy didn't win the primary.

Then, when the next election comes, vote for better.

And do it again. Always vote for better. Even if you can't have perfect right off the bat, electing better and then electing better than that and then electing even better than that is how we get to perfect.

Always vote for better. Because better is good.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 31st 2020 at 4:26:34 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2694: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:26:30 PM

Mind you, if Trump gets acquitted on the Senate (well, when) then he can just be impeached for something else. It confuses me people don't think the Democrats won't do that next if Trump tries breaking the law as overtly as he did during the Ukraine trial.

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AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
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#2695: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:27:55 PM

I'd been considering it for a while now, and it's increasingly likely that I will, seeing as how I'm growing hateful towards the Empire that's been calling itself "the Grand Old Party".

As for who I might vote for, I'll vote for whoever is nominated as Democratic candidate for POTUS. I'd definitely vote for Sanders or Warren, probably Yang if he's the Dem nominee. As for Biden, it seems he has his own problems, and I've been wary of him as of late... Bah, might vote for him if he gets nominated. Bascially, vote Blue, no matter who.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 31st 2020 at 6:34:58 AM

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#2696: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:28:11 PM

Wouldn't doing it too often risk backfiring by making the Blues look like they're trivializin the Impeachment process?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2697: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:35:35 PM

Wouldn't doing it too often risk backfiring by making the Blues look like they're trivializin the Impeachment process?

Is anything the Democrats do likely to be more of a farce than the Republican's antics?

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#2698: Jan 31st 2020 at 3:39:24 PM

[up] No, but it will appear like that to Moderates and Independents. We have to chose our Impeachments carefully; if Trump gets 4 more years, we should absolutely impeach him if he does something as bad, or worse, then this. Similar to this Impeachment, I'd argue that we should wait for Public anger to swell against a Trump action that's illegal, and then launch an Impeachment against him.

[up]x3 Same. Heck, at this point, I'd hold my nose and vote for Gabbard if it meant getting rid of Trump.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#2699: Jan 31st 2020 at 4:23:18 PM

Yeah. The impeachment has, primarily, been a battle of narrative, since removing Trump was always out of the question, short of a Christmas miracle. Re-impeaching him, especially knowing it will likely fail as much as this one will, is only going to hurt Democrats and feed into the GOP's claims that Democrats are the ones doing sham trials.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 31st 2020 at 5:26:07 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2700: Jan 31st 2020 at 4:26:11 PM

It depends I suppose on what Trump does next.

Because we've already had things like the attempt to start a war with Iran.

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