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The Administrivia policy for works created in other languages is Troping Works Created in Other Languages. At the moment, this is focused on works with official translations.

More broadly, TV Tropes has a rule that the latest English translation will normally take priority over the original (some exceptions are listed on the Administrivia page), but many pages and examples still use older titles and character names. This cleanup is to help relieve that.

For policy discussions, see the wiki talk Translation Policy thread.

For pages needing work, see here: Sandbox.English Localization Cleanup

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 24th 2024 at 3:40:26 PM

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#351: Mar 26th 2020 at 4:21:39 PM

Well it was already on the list on the sandbox. I will move to the "needs wicks changed" section

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#352: Mar 26th 2020 at 5:07:39 PM

VideoGame.Golden Sun The Broken Seal > VideoGame.Golden Sun 2001

(the sequel was unnumbered, so disambiguate by year)

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#353: Mar 26th 2020 at 8:30:55 PM

[up]Again, it's fine to keep the subtitle to distinguish it from the series as a whole, like with Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade, especially since all the other Golden Sun games have subtitles.

Also, can a mod remove the custom title from Konosuba since both Amazon and Crunchyroll listings for the novels spell it "Konosuba" without CamelCase?

Edited by rjd1922 on Mar 31st 2020 at 4:13:25 AM

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#354: Mar 27th 2020 at 4:32:03 AM

[up] This isn't a Fire Emblem case, because the game's only official English title is Golden Sun. No subtitle.

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#356: Apr 3rd 2020 at 10:31:02 AM

Does B Gata H Kei really have to be moved to Yamada's First Time: B Gata H Kei? I think it should stay at the original title for conciseness, since the original title is still in the official localized title.

Kazemakase Tsukikage Ran should be moved to Carried by the Wind: Tsukikage Ran.

Edited by rjd1922 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 1:47:54 PM

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#357: Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:49:31 PM

[up] An official title is an official title. You can't say it's only a half.

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#358: Apr 5th 2020 at 12:27:01 AM

An ATT query has bloated to over 30 posts over whether the term "Mobius" should be used to describe the planet where the Genesis-era Sonic the Hedgehog games take place, or that plain old Earth applies to the Genesis games too as per the Japanese canon that has been also in place in the West since Sonic Adventure.

So far, only one troper is arguing for applying "Mobius" to the Genesis games while everyone else is telling him no.

[up][up] and [up] Using the Star Wars films and The Bard's Tale IV as precedent for keeping more concise official portions of titles if everyone will keep calling them the concise titles anyway, I'll agree with rjd on this one.

Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 5th 2020 at 12:44:39 PM

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#359: Apr 5th 2020 at 12:49:52 AM

A question: The anime Zettai Bouei Leviathan is localised as Leviathan: The Last Defence however it is based on a mobile game that hasn't ever been released in English as far as I can tell and therefore doesn't have an official localised name. The game itself doesn't have a page here and the anime page only tropes the anime, not the game, so what should it be listed as here?

Edited by SebastianGray on Apr 5th 2020 at 8:50:44 PM

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#360: Apr 5th 2020 at 7:35:34 AM

[up][up]The translation policy only applies to names, not plot/backstory/events. Mobius can be used, but we're not forced to use it.

[up]The anime's page should be at Anime/LeviathanTheLastDefense. As the work has an official English release with an English title (source), we use that title. The game's page would be at the English title as well.

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#361: Apr 5th 2020 at 8:29:59 AM

But what if the English name of the anime vs. the game becomes different? Moving the game's page would become a waste of time.

I would move solely the anime to the English title for now. Only if the game itself is assigned the same English title can it be moved there too.

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#362: Apr 5th 2020 at 8:32:08 AM

The game doesnt have a page yet so that kind of moot.

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#363: Apr 5th 2020 at 4:11:42 PM

We should only keep concise titles if the actual full title would break our text limit. I'm pretty sure Konosuba's real title wouldn't fit, for instance.

I'm bringing this up because rjd deleted a title needing changing from the sandbox for being a little longer, even though nobody agreed with it.

Edited by Karxrida on Apr 5th 2020 at 4:16:39 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#364: Apr 5th 2020 at 4:41:11 PM

A huge ATT thread about Sonic localizations happened with no resolution in sight, and they told us to take it here.

(Also Kiki Kai Kai should probably be Pocky & Rocky.)

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#365: Apr 5th 2020 at 5:05:27 PM

[up] For Kiki Kai Kai, we still haven't figured out if the original release is a "new" localization or not.

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#366: Apr 5th 2020 at 6:02:03 PM

[up][up][up]Albert3105 agreed with me. It strikes me as absurd that we always have to include The Foreign Subtitle if doesn't go over the 64-character limit. There's no way we're adding "Legend of the Seven Stars" to Super Mario RPG; even the Wikipedia article is titled just "Super Mario RPG".

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#367: Apr 6th 2020 at 1:06:32 AM

The anime's page should be at Anime/LeviathanTheLastDefense. As the work has an official English release with an English title (source), we use that title. The game's page would be at the English title as well.

Cool. Thanks.

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#368: Apr 6th 2020 at 7:05:09 AM

[up](x4) Mobius is not a concept in the games. Sonic lives on Earth or Sonic's World, not Mobius. In rereleases, Sega doesn't mention Mobius anymore. We use the newest localizations available.

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#369: Apr 6th 2020 at 10:45:36 AM

[up] This was directly addressed in the ATT post: The official Sega documents about Sonic 1 from the time of it's release name the planet "Mobius". Mobius was the name given to the place by Sega in their own internal documents and their self-published 1991 promo comic for Sonic 1, and by Yuji Naka himself in an interview about Sonic 2 in the following year.

Additionally, the name "Mobius" has been printed in hundreds of comic issues in two different comic books worldwide, hundreds of cartoon episodes in three different cartoons, and multiple other official Sega documents regarding the games, both internal and external, since the franchise began in 1991. The only reason the name was not used in the classic games because the classic games have no dialogue.

Edited by Eagle70 on Apr 6th 2020 at 10:50:44 AM

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#370: Apr 6th 2020 at 10:46:24 AM

[up][up]Supplementary materials said Mobius, so we can talk about Mobius. It's not current, but old canon is allowed and we don't remove things from our wiki just because they got retconned.

The translation policy only applies to names, not plot details. Earth vs. Mobius is a plot detail.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Apr 6th 2020 at 1:49:31 PM

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#371: Apr 6th 2020 at 12:10:54 PM

[up][up] That's all old, predominantly English stuff. That's Early-Installment Weirdness at most. It's about as canon as Princess Peach having a father.

[up] Why not use "Sonic's World" instead of "Mobius"? Or, preferably, just not mention the planet's name. It's not particularly relevant. Sonic 1 thriugh Sonic 3 primarily take place on islands.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Apr 6th 2020 at 12:16:39 PM

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#372: Apr 6th 2020 at 12:40:31 PM

If we were to go by the old manuals, then that would mean we'd have to rename Amy to Princess Sally on the Sonic CD page because that's what the English manual used back then.

That's obviously not the case, as pretty much every English game since then has used Amy instead of Sally, they're clearly not the same character, and I'm pretty sure re-releases of the game use Amy as her name instead of Sally. Has Mobius been used in the newer re-releases of those games? If not, than Sega has probably retconned it out.

And in regards to Yuji Naka using the phrase, that was probably a mistranslation.

Yuji Naka was not making a reference to a planet, but instead an obstacle. A Mobius strip is a mathematical testament of geometry that is continuous one-sided surface that can be formed from a rectangular strip by rotating one end 180° and attaching it to the other end. Sound familiar? Exactly. Those corkscrew roadways in Emerald Hill Zone were Mobius Strips.

Yuji Naka meant to point out the Mobius strips. Because hey, we all know he is bad at English [...] This little misinterpretation stuck with Sega of America, so it was thus morphed into what we know today as Mobius - the world that Sonic comes from in the comics, AoStH TV series, SatAM TV series, and the Sonic Underground TV series. Although, 75% of those series are gone, so all that's left with Mobius is Archie. Heh.

So in the end, Mobius is right out. Other than that one mentioning from Naka, the word Mobius has never been used in any Sonic Team rendition of any Sonic game at all. Ever. Mobius might be the name of Sonic X's world of Sonic, but it most certainly is not the concept of Sonic's homeworld in the game continuity, indisputably. Mobius is Archie's property, which we all know Sonic Team doesn't touch.

So at best, we can claim that the games took place in Mobius according to Sega of America, but it was retconned out.

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#373: Apr 6th 2020 at 1:04:41 PM

[up] If re-releases of Sonic CD use Amy, then we can call the re-releases a "more recent translation" to avert the Sally problem. (Though I don't believe she has an onscreen name in any release of the game; correct me if I'm wrong.)

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#374: Apr 6th 2020 at 1:30:08 PM

[up][up][up] Using "Sonic's World" doesn't make sense because the planet is directly called Mobius in nearly 80% of the official franchise media, including media released as recently as 2017.

[up][up] Princess Sally appearing in Sonic CD is straight-up character misidentification. Originally, Sally Acorn was a very minor character from the original Sonic The Hedgehog (specifically, she's one of Sonic's animal friends who is freed when Sonic breaks her out of a badnik). She had her own official merchandise as early as 1991. The cartoon upgraded her to Sonic's love interest and main ally. Her presence in the cartoon made her so popular that an official statue of her standing alongside Sonic was placed near the entrance the SegaWorld theme park in Sydney, Australia. If someone somehow mistook her for Amy Rose - who looks nothing like her - that's just laziness on their part.

It's also specifically unrelated to the issue of Planet Mobius, which was also around since 1991, and much more openly used in marketing.

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#375: Apr 6th 2020 at 2:49:50 PM

Nearly 80% of franchise media, including stuff released as recently as 2017

Okay, but the Archie Comics canon is completely removed from and fundamentally incompatible with that of the games.

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